Quote from: Planet Algol;779951Blood Hawks were in the 1E Fiend Folio,  from what I remember of the basic PDF it's basically the same critter.

I like the Flameskull!

Huh, I stand corrected.

Quote from: jadrax;779952Blood Hawk is 1st edition, from the Fiend Folio.
Flameskull is 2nd edition, Forgotten Realms campaign setting.

Well fuck.

What the hell original monsters are there in 4e, come to think of it?

I think the swordwing was? And I liked it enough whip up an oldschool conversion.

Holy crap,  they ditched the goofy 3e dire designation for giant animals!

Quote from: Planet Algol;780025Holy crap,  they ditched the goofy 3e dire designation for giant animals!

I do wish they'd kept it for badgers, though. Dire Badger sounds awesome.

Quote from: Shipyard Locked;779933Just noticed the "Rug of Smothering". I could have used that during my last campaign!



Heh, I dunno, struck me as a weird option, but that's subjective on my part for sure.



Oh yeah, but they don't count to me.



So far I haven't spotted any, but a lot of classic monsters were re-interpreted in 4e, so we'll have to see their entries to find out which version they went with.

I think the winged kobold appeared somewhere during 2e, not that I've ever seen them used much.

Speaking of drow, I'm kind of surprised there hasn't been any wailing and gnashing of teeth about the sunlight disadvantage for PCs. Bet that gets house ruled away a lot.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;779932Probably due to the fact that magic items aren't assumed anymore, and are much rarer than in any other edition.  You might hit level 5-6 before you get your first magic weapon in 5e.

That could be it, although that could describe a fair number of 1e games I've played too.

Now I'm anxious to see if Shadows are still the stuff of nightmares for unprepared low level parties.

Quote from: LibraryLass;780019What the hell original monsters are there in 4e, come to think of it?

Kruthik?

Quote from: jadrax;780033Kruthik?

3e Book of Vile Darkness, I'm pretty sure.

Quote from: LibraryLass;7800363e Book of Vile Darkness, I'm pretty sure.

Yeah, they are also apparently appear in the Miniatures Handbook.

I really should try and pick the Miniatures Handbook up, it appears to contain everything, ever.

Original 4th edition monsters:

4th edition archons- somewhat humanoid elementals with armor and weapons. They where new in everything but name.

And I'm stumped. That is all I can think of and I don't have that MM anymore.

There's a bunch of monsters that got pushed in 4th, but originated in 3rd.

The Nothic and Kuthrik both come from the Miniatures handbook. Shadar-Kai where from the Fiend Folio. As where those far realm humanoids whose name I can't remember, though they where different then. Boneclaws where MM 3 or 4.


From the 3rd edition MM, I'd actually like to see a return of the Delver and Destrachan. Yes, they are stupid, but awesome stupid, like the Frogemoth, Flail Snail or the Wolf in Sheep's Clothing. They belong in the same book.

Quote from: jadrax;780041Yeah, they are also apparently appear in the Miniatures Handbook.

I really should try and pick the Miniatures Handbook up, it appears to contain everything, ever.

You really shouldn't. There's a reason everything remotely useful in it got reprinted. That reason is that it was a horrible book.

Quote from: Gold Roger;780074Original 4th edition monsters:

4th edition archons- somewhat humanoid elementals with armor and weapons. They where new in everything but name.

And I'm stumped. That is all I can think of and I don't have that MM anymore.

There's a bunch of monsters that got pushed in 4th, but originated in 3rd.

The Nothic and Kuthrik both come from the Miniatures handbook. Shadar-Kai where from the Fiend Folio. As where those far realm humanoids whose name I can't remember, though they where different then. Boneclaws where MM 3 or 4.

From the 3rd edition MM, I'd actually like to see a return of the Delver and Destrachan. Yes, they are stupid, but awesome stupid, like the Frogemoth, Flail Snail or the Wolf in Sheep's Clothing. They belong in the same book.

You're thinking of Foulspawn, perhaps?

Quote from: LibraryLass;780019What the hell original monsters are there in 4e, come to think of it?

Did any of the Starspawn pre-date 4E?

I liked the rotwing zombies!

And the foulspawn, and I think they're 100 percent 4e?

I thought of another one. Catastrophe Dragons. Which were pretty cool, wouldn't mind seeing them back.

Quote from: Planet Algol;780083And the foulspawn, and I think they're 100 percent 4e?

3e Fiend Folio.