5e: Cleric Character Sheet

Sacrosanct · June 27, 2014, 12:35:27 AM

Quote from: Marleycat;761898A 5th level cleric has 15 prepared spells by array it could be higher if you roll an 18 and go with a race with +1 WIS. You could have 16 prepared spells for 9 slots. Plus 4 cantrips. And 2 multilevel class abilities without counting their melee abilities. They could be ridiculous combat wise if your God is Grummusch or something with the war domain.

Either way that healbot can fight well if needed.

IIRC, clerics don't get extra attacks though. They quickly fall behind the fighter types in direct combat unless they've changed that

Marleycat · June 27, 2014, 12:44:31 AM

Quote from: Sacrosanct;761901IIRC, clerics don't get extra attacks though. They quickly fall behind the fighter types in direct combat unless they've changed that

You're correct. But the War domain allows said cleric to use Fighter stuff without multiclassing.

My actual point is that a cleric of healing can be a front line type if she needed to. Pretty crazy yeah?

A 11/9 F/C with the War domain might get seriously ridiculous if they haven't tightened things up. I know it's an option but seriously Clerics are powerful.

jibbajibba · June 27, 2014, 01:06:24 AM

Quote from: Marleycat;761902You're correct. But the War domain allows said cleric to use Fighter stuff without multiclassing.

My actual point is that a cleric of healing can be a front line type if she needed to. Pretty crazy yeah?

A 11/9 F/C with the War domain might get seriously ridiculous if they haven't tightened things up. I know it's an option but seriously Clerics are powerful.

Weren't clerics always overpowered though. That is why they had to give you 200 points in Skills and powerd to make a basic cleric witht heir combo of combat, spells and class powers.

I mean it 1e the cleric can build a castle just like the fighter except its 50% cheaper and they get similar troops excpet they are all fanatically loyal and don't need paying.....

I assume it was seen as a requirement to get someone to play the class that has no archetypal reference in 90% of her inspirational material and has to spend a lot of their time healing if the combat model is going to work.

ah for a 2e Priest of agreculture with d6 hp, theif thaco and a load of spells that affect plants and animals.

Marleycat · June 27, 2014, 01:14:36 AM

Quote from: jibbajibba;761905Weren't clerics always overpowered though. That is why they had to give you 200 points in Skills and powerd to make a basic cleric witht heir combo of combat, spells and class powers.

I mean it 1e the cleric can build a castle just like the fighter except its 50% cheaper and they get similar troops excpet they are all fanatically loyal and don't need paying.....

I assume it was seen as a requirement to get someone to play the class that has no archetypal reference in 90% of her inspirational material and has to spend a lot of their time healing if the combat model is going to work.

ah for a 2e Priest of agreculture with d6 hp, theif thaco and a load of spells that affect plants and animals.

Yeah, I know but it's still shocking at first blush. I'm surprised nobody plays them.I do and well it gets people mad because I am the real Batman. Things like channel divinity almost make them as fun as the Bard. It's like quit your bitching already... BAM! And back to the task at hand.

Spinachcat · June 27, 2014, 02:56:59 AM

The 1e cleric wasn't a great healer. He was an undead destroyer and his more interesting spells were more useful than healing.

The 2e cleric with specialty domains were awesome for flavor clerics. Hopefully the domains in 5e will be a major part of the cleric instead of a tag on.

Remember that the major concept of healing in 1e was called - going back to town.

James Gillen · June 27, 2014, 05:09:52 AM

Quote from: Just Another Snake Cult;761877Holy fuck that character sheet is crowded with giant blocks of text. It's like a Russian novel.

Crime and Punishment: The RPG

Omega · June 27, 2014, 06:00:31 AM

Quote from: Just Another Snake Cult;761877Holy fuck that character sheet is crowded with giant blocks of text. It's like a Russian novel.

I gotta admit that's kinda disappointing, I was hoping they would keep it simple.

Thats because its not a purely character sheet in the normal sense. It is a character sheet with a rules/gameplay sheet on the back to cover 5 levels.

In BX I did something simmilar for my sisters character so she could just refference it on the spot rather than need the rulebook. So the back read like Thief level 2, needs 1200 XP. open locks 20%, etc, and again for 3rd.

The Starter pregen just had alot more that needs filling out. Since its a cleric and the new background stuff.

Brander · June 27, 2014, 02:16:52 PM

Quote from: jibbajibba;761905...

I assume it was seen as a requirement to get someone to play the class that has no archetypal reference in 90% of her inspirational material and has to spend a lot of their time healing if the combat model is going to work.
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That's always been my assumption as well. A bribe to get someone to play the healbot.

Haffrung · June 27, 2014, 02:30:35 PM

Quote from: Larsdangly;761886I was assuming the starter set character sheets basically repeat all the rules relevant to the character for easy reference; not the sort of thing you find in a normal character sheet.

Yeah. Personally, I do that anyway when I'm helping a new player learn an RPG. Last thing I want is a new player fumbling with the rules the first couple times he plays.

Endless Flight · June 27, 2014, 05:22:45 PM

Quote from: Marleycat;761885Probably not until they preview the PHB. What RPGs do you actually play or run EF? Just curious. You said Dnd isn't your goto game but you've been asking stuff in good faith.

I've played online games for years, usually d20 Modern/Star Wars d6/Marvel Super Heroes and a few others.

I've introduced my daughter to RPGs and we've played Pathfinder, Mentzer Basic and a couple others.

I'm not really mathematically inclined like others here and don't really break down rules like the pros do. I usually house rule games very little or not at all because I just roll that way.

My curiosity about 5e is legit. I will probably buy the starter set and see if my daughter wants to play. Maybe I can get my wife to jump in too.

Spinachcat · June 27, 2014, 06:56:32 PM

Oops double post.

Marleycat · June 27, 2014, 09:05:54 PM

Quote from: Endless Flight;762159I've played online games for years, usually d20 Modern/Star Wars d6/Marvel Super Heroes and a few others.

I've introduced my daughter to RPGs and we've played Pathfinder, Mentzer Basic and a couple others.

I'm not really mathematically inclined like others here and don't really break down rules like the pros do. I usually house rule games very little or not at all because I just roll that way. My curiosity about 5e is legit. I will probably buy the starter set and see if my daughter wants to play. Maybe I can get my wife to jump in too.

Cool beans. It seems we're quite similar in our RPG experiences and goals, at least in broad strokes.

Endless Flight · June 27, 2014, 11:17:24 PM

My favorite D&D is Rules Cyclopedia and 5e would have do some serious work to move right up next to it or past it. I'm willing to take a look instead of just prejudging it based on these little snippets of info that seem to be haphazardly thrown out there. I'm not sure if there's a serious plan to their marketing or what.

Omega · June 28, 2014, 06:12:37 AM

Quote from: Endless Flight;762212I'm not sure if there's a serious plan to their marketing or what.

WOTC... Serious... marketing ... plan???

bwah-haa-haa-haa-haa! :rolleyes:

Sacrosanct · June 28, 2014, 12:18:25 PM

Quote from: Omega;762240WOTC... Serious... marketing ... plan???

bwah-haa-haa-haa-haa! :rolleyes:

right now I'd like to see ANY marketing plan