Quote from: Kyle Aaron;761546Membership of what?

Dairy Queen.

Quote from: Fiasco;759229Eyup. The worst thing you could say of the 5E crowd is that they are overly positive and enthusiastic about the new edition to the point where they deny it has any flaws at all. I'm just not seeing anyone saying you must convert to the new edition or else! Or even that its the best edition evarrr...

I certainly don't think that it has no flaws.  I know for a fact there'll be rules I would be changing if I personally ran 5e.

I just think that it is the best edition in quite a while and will be easier to make into the kind of game I want, or to run the kind of adventures I want than either of the last two iterations.

Quote from: RPGPundit;761671I certainly don't think that it has no flaws.  I know for a fact there'll be rules I would be changing if I personally ran 5e.

I just think that it is the best edition in quite a while and will be easier to make into the kind of game I want, or to run the kind of adventures I want than either of the last two iterations.

Yep.  I don't think there is a single person here who says they liked 5e who has remotely implied it doesn't have any flaws.  And I'm pretty sure no one has said that you need to stop playing what you like and play 5e instead.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;761676Yep.  I don't think there is a single person here who says they liked 5e who has remotely implied it doesn't have any flaws.  And I'm pretty sure no one has said that you need to stop playing what you like and play 5e instead.

You aren't doing WotC any favors, you know that right?

Quote from: Endless Flight;761760You aren't doing WotC any favors, you know that right?

they're not paying me, like...ahem...someone, so why should I? ;-)

Quote from: Sacrosanct;761804they're not paying me, like...ahem...someone, so why should I? ;-)

Har har! 0_o. <--->.

Quote from: RPGPundit;761671I certainly don't think that it has no flaws.  I know for a fact there'll be rules I would be changing if I personally ran 5e.

I just think that it is the best edition in quite a while and will be easier to make into the kind of game I want, or to run the kind of adventures I want than either of the last two iterations.

I know several of us 5E supporters listed several things we thought were flaws. Agree with Pundit. It's a nice set of rules, and more of a successor to 2E than 3rd and 4th were, in my opinion.

The biggest flaw I've seen so far is the Dex penalty not being applied to Armor, if I understand the way it works correctly.

Quote from: Endless Flight;761856The biggest flaw I've seen so far is the Dex penalty not being applied to Armor, if I understand the way it works correctly.

I'm not confident about the DEX thing either to be honest but I need to see it in play before declaring it the end of STR based fighters or making STR a dump stat that the charOp crowd insists it is. But I am sure I hate the 3 strike rule. Maybe I can port over 2e's death rules?

Quote from: Endless Flight;761856The biggest flaw I've seen so far is the Dex penalty not being applied to Armor, if I understand the way it works correctly.

I don't know about that being one of the biggest flaws for me (death saves are IMO), but it certainly doesn't feel rignt

Quote from: Sacrosanct;761676Yep.  I don't think there is a single person here who says they liked 5e who has remotely implied it doesn't have any flaws.  And I'm pretty sure no one has said that you need to stop playing what you like and play 5e instead.

I would say there were several of you that seemed to be implying exactly that until yesterday, when some of you started admitting that there were things you didn't like.

Quote from: Bobloblah;761869I would say there were several of you that seemed to be implying exactly that until yesterday, when some of you started admitting that there were things you didn't like.

and I would say you're either lying, or grossly mistaken.  Every time a playtest packet came out we voiced both things we liked and things we didn't.  This has been going on for at least a year.. Just because we haven't lost our shit in fits of nerdrage didn't mean we have never voiced our displeasure at certain things.  If you think we never said things we didn't like about it, then you are very much in fact taking a page from the SJW book and assuming anyone who doesn't condemn something with enough vitriol must be a fanboi of everything about it

Quote from: Sacrosanct;761873and I would say you're either lying, or grossly mistaken.  Every time a playtest packet came out we voiced both things we liked and things we didn't.  This has been going on for at least a year.. Just because we haven't lost our shit in fits of nerdrage didn't mean we have never voiced our displeasure at certain things.  If you think we never said things we didn't like about it, then you are very much in fact taking a page from the SJW book and assuming anyone who doesn't condemn something with enough vitriol must be a fanboi of everything about it

Neither. I'm not talking about 6 months ago, I'm talking about the last few days, which is when information for the final game started coming out fast and furious, and a few posters, myself included, have pointed out that you, Marleycat, Haffrung, and maybe one or two others appear to have lost your minds. It has simply seemed any criticism of 5e, no matter how trivial, must be stamped on. I certainly don't think I've imagined that, because I'm not the only one that's noticed it. It isn't unique to this board, either. There've been blog posts on the phenomenon already. Some people just can't seem to brook any disparaging remarks about 5e.

Now, to be totally fair and as I already mentioned, I have seen some complaints and reservations posted by you lot, starting yesterday. I've been following all the 5e threads here, so I don't think I missed anything. However, it still seems a bit like criticism must be of the approved variety that one of you has already noted, and things I haven't seen one of you cite are still getting a bit jumped on.

Quote from: Bobloblah;761878Neither. I'm not talking about 6 months ago, I'm talking about the last few days, which is when information for the final game started coming out fast and furious, and a few posters, myself included, have pointed out that you, Marleycat, Haffrung, and maybe one or two others appear to have lost your minds. It has simply seemed any criticism of 5e, no matter how trivial, must be stamped on. I certainly don't think I've imagined that, because I'm not the only one that's noticed it. It isn't unique to this board, either. There've been blog posts on the phenomenon already. Some people just can't seem to brook any disparaging remarks about 5e.

Now, to be totally fair and as I already mentioned, I have seen some complaints and reservations posted by you lot, starting yesterday. I've been following all the 5e threads here, so I don't think I missed anything. However, it still seems a bit like criticism must be of the approved variety that one of you has already noted, and things I haven't seen one of you cite are still getting a bit jumped on.

this is patently untrue as well.  Lots of people have made criticisms against 5e and those of us you mentioned haven't gone after them at all (like Omega).  The only time we've reacted harshly is against those criticisms that are really nothing more than irrational hate for 5e, or things that are nothing but inaccurate hyperbole.  You, CRK, and a few others keep trotting out this whole, "you can't say anything critical of 5e without being jumped on by the 5aviors" when it's not true at all based on the fact several others have criticised it (us included) and have not been jumped on at all.. That objectively proves statements like yours false

the reason you haven't noticed it is because you fellas are in serious circle the wagons mode and have some pretty big blinders on

So I tell CRK he's a dick and somehow that means I brook no criticism of 5e? Get real because it's a fact that the former is true, and the latter is irrelrvant. He is practically famous for exactly what he's doing right now. The thing is I just don't actually care about the game in any real life sense and it pisses him off. But hey thanks for the label.

It's a game that is a toolkit and that is why the usual suspects are totally going insane not me telling you what is coming given I assumed you had figured it out last year.