I'll probs buy the 5th ed PHB, DM guide and Monster manual for old times sake.
If it impresses I might even try to start an RPG group to run it for.
Even if I don't run it it'll be a fun read and worth buying those 3 books just for that.
The RPG hobby is comparatively cheap to other hobbies anyway, so to me throwing some money at some RPG books I may never run isn't really a big deal.

Interestingly, the last version of official DnD I bought was 2nd ed ADnD many years ago.  
I'd moved away from DnD by the time 3rd Ed came out and by the time I decided to give it a go again, PF seemed to be well supported and played.

4th Ed dnD:
I never bought into 4th Ed for various reasons which I won't bother getting into in detail this thread.
Suffice to say it wasn't to my taste.

Regarding SWN:
It'd be great to see Stars Without Number become more popular as a result of 5th Ed, as I really like the SWN system and it sounds like it could have a lot of compatibility with 5th Ed as a Scifi hack of DnD.

Quote from: VengerSatanis;757192...

As a community, we can be critical while still being supportive; we can like what we like while understanding those who don't. I propose we approach further discussion consciously. Hopefully, that's not too much to ask.

It's not. I can get ranty McRanterson on issues. I am trying to be more constructive; answering questions and entering discussions with more sincerity and less troll/rant/comedian shenanigans. I may have went a tad too far on the 5e debate.

Personally, I'm waiting for the Starter Box + Basic PDF and actually running it with a group before I make any more judgments. Frankly, it's the only real fair shake to give it at this juncture. I am impressed with what we know thus far, and I think WOTC deserves a few of my $ for the effort.

Quote from: Gunslinger;757371I had better luck living in Hawaii.  The best I've seen in a while was a store in Chicago, which actually stocked POD games and small independent publishers.  It's where I picked up my LotFP boxed set while balancing the merits of purchasing products like LL AEC, ICONS, or DCC.  I could've been there for hours.

Was it Games Plus in Evanston, by any chance?

Lord Hobie

Quote from: languagegeek;757197A lot of people love D&D (their hockey team, their political party...) For some, they've sunk countless hours into the game, building a sort of personal relationship with it. To see a new version is to see someone else's D&D, that isn't quite how they'd do it. If the writers had only done X, it would be way better. Same thing happens in sports talk or political commentary or which Beatles' song is best.

It's such a strong trope I included it in one of my Gaming Geek Fallacies: My Game Is Great, Your Game Sucks.

Where the 5e debate stands out head and shoulders over other nonsensical edition wars is that people are fighting to the death over a ruleset that has yet to be released.

Count me as someone who doesn't care. I've got so many problems right now I can't get excited over a new version of AD&D. And if I spend money on games there are at least three other titles I want to purchase before considering AD&D.

Quote from: Ravenswing;757547It's such a strong trope I included it in one of my Gaming Geek Fallacies: My Game Is Great, Your Game Sucks.

Where the 5e debate stands out head and shoulders over other nonsensical edition wars is that people are fighting to the death over a ruleset that has yet to be released.

Remember to factor in that I haven't bought anything Dnd by WotC for 5-6 years at best. And barely anything else is the last 3-4 years. So 5e is the first time in years that I'm purposely budgeting a RPG in again.

Quote from: Lord Hobie;757546Was it Games Plus in Evanston, by any chance?

Lord Hobie

It was.  Great store, looking forward to making my annual pilgrimage there when I'm out that way.

Quote from: Ravenswing;757547It's such a strong trope I included it in one of my Gaming Geek Fallacies: My Game Is Great, Your Game Sucks.

Where the 5e debate stands out head and shoulders over other nonsensical edition wars is that people are fighting to the death over a ruleset that has yet to be released.

My wife and I just started watching Orange is the New Black last night.  "It's tribal, not racist."

Thankfully, many gamers realize that RPG favoritism and preference are subjective.

VS

Quote from: trechriron;757515It's not. I can get ranty McRanterson on issues. I am trying to be more constructive; answering questions and entering discussions with more sincerity and less troll/rant/comedian shenanigans. I may have went a tad too far on the 5e debate.

Personally, I'm waiting for the Starter Box + Basic PDF and actually running it with a group before I make any more judgments. Frankly, it's the only real fair shake to give it at this juncture. I am impressed with what we know thus far, and I think WOTC deserves a few of my $ for the effort.

Ranting happens.  I do it myself.  And some things are worth ranting about.  I just felt that pounding the table about the enthusiasm gap was counter-productive.  So, I stopped doing it and blogged instead.


VS

Quote from: Ravenswing;757547Where the 5e debate stands out head and shoulders over other nonsensical edition wars is that people are fighting to the death over a ruleset that has yet to be released.[/COLOR]

Part of that is due to the playtest packet. Assuming WOTC didnt lie, then the finished game should retain most of the elements that were in the playtest packet.

Quote from: Bill;757353I believe soccer may have overtaken everything but baseball in the US. Not certain though.

Definitely false. Not close to MLB and the NFL's numbers. And we're omitting NASCAR, as well.

I have read articles over the past few years, however, that show that the MLS has surpassed the NBA and the NHL in terms of attendance levels and TV ratings. The sport is making strides in the US, but there is a realistic cap that it will eventually face (and I'm speaking as an MLS fan, and a Sounders season ticket holder for the past 5 years).

Quote from: Sacrosanct;757362I like both (the Portland Timbers are my local soccer team), but even I have to admit that more than half the fans there are early 20ish hipsters who are only there for the profane chants and beer, and not for the game itself.  I.e., I highly suspect they're fair weather fans because that's what's "in" currently.

True in just about any sport. Band-wagon jumpers will latch on to any 'winner' and ride out the fad.

Hell, that's more a sign of the MLS having a cultural impact, and 'making it' as a sport - the fact that it can attract the fair-weather fans, like baseball and football.

But then, you are talking about Timbers' supporters, so perhaps those numbers are just accurate to your region.

Quote from: Marleycat;757378No. NFL football is more popular by miles. The sport in the most trouble is baseball because the other three sports are taking the new generation players and interest for multiple reasons. Soccer in the US is number 4-5 but likely will go up within the next 20-30 years because of demographic changes and immigration. It doesn't affect the NFL though given it's popular with females and hispanics.

I can't stand foot-to-ball or foot-to-ball fans (I haven't watched many games, but I prefer watching american football), but it's practically a fucking religion over here, complete with england vs scotland tribal wars as nasty as any "if the fighter doesn't have d8 hit points then it's not D&D and you should feel bad" conflicts. And the world cup is on at the moment! SOS. Please send Nintendo, Dr Pepper and roleplaying books.

Anyway.

I've pre-ordered the books, from Amazon. And it's from Amazon because there isn't a roleplaying shop in this city, and because when they come out, I want to just get them, not have to make "pick up the books I bought" a special mission objective.

Quote from: Ladybird;757643complete with england vs scotland tribal wars as nasty as any "if the fighter doesn't have d8 hit points then it's not D&D and you should feel bad" conflicts.

Dude, seriously?  When's the last time a grognard beat someone to death or ransacked a city street setting stuff on fire?

You guys are starting to satirize yourselves.

Quote from: CRKrueger;757644Dude, seriously?  When's the last time a grognard beat someone to death or ransacked a city street setting stuff on fire?

You guys are starting to satirize yourselves.

Old School Fighter vs 4e Fighter are literally as bad as Rough Wooing.

Quote from: CRKrueger;757644Dude, seriously?  When's the last time a grognard beat someone to death or ransacked a city street setting stuff on fire?

You guys are starting to satirize yourselves.

About 1990 i reckon. We only riot about police brutality these days. The Italians and Polish are the hooligans now.

All this sport talk is super and that, but fuck all to do with RPGs.