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Online tools for 5e...

Started by Marleycat, June 11, 2014, 02:16:43 PM

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Marleycat

June 11, 2014, 02:16:43 PM
Interesting bit of news about their online tool plan...http://community.wizards.com/forum/dd-next-general-discussion/threads/4099836 fair warning it's from the WotC boards so it may get a bit rough.
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

Sacrosanct

#1
June 11, 2014, 02:23:29 PM
Quote from: Marleycat;757428Interesting bit of news about their online tool plan...http://community.wizards.com/forum/dd-next-general-discussion/threads/4099836 fair warning it's from the WotC boards so it may get a bit rough.

Hahah, oh sweet Paraxis.  At least he's consistent.  If there's anyone who is a better representative of, "I hope I'm surprised, but I'm sure it will suck" crowd, I don't know who that would be.

As for the online tools themselves, I definitely see the push for getting that right since we're in the digital age and all, but I will always prefer physical books and character sheets myself.  In fact, no electronic devices at my table unless you make a pretty good case for it.
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

Marleycat

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June 11, 2014, 02:26:48 PM Last Edit: June 11, 2014, 02:35:20 PM by Marleycat
Quote from: Sacrosanct;757430Hahah, oh sweet Paraxis.  At least he's consistent.  If there's anyone who is a better representative of, "I hope I'm surprised, but I'm sure it will suck" crowd, I don't know who that would be.

As for the online tools themselves, I definitely see the push for getting that right since we're in the digital age and all, but I will always prefer physical books and character sheets myself.  In fact, no electronic devices at my table unless you make a pretty good case for it.

That's my preference also but boy would I love a good set of online tools for 5e. Except for that VTT disaster 4e's DDI was a really nice thing.
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

Sacrosanct

#3
June 11, 2014, 02:29:17 PM
Quote from: Marleycat;757431That's my preference also but boy would I love a good set of online tools for 5e. Except for that VTT disaster 4e's DDI was a really nice thing.

Oh, don't get me wrong.  I see the value in online tools.  Hell, I still have my 3.5" floppy disk around here somewhere with the "official" Earthdawn character generator (DOS of course).  So I have no problems creating PCs online.  Just print them out for the game ;)
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

Spinachcat

#4
June 11, 2014, 03:10:10 PM
And into the Trapdoor we go!

Hopefully these Trapdoor guys actually can deliver, clearly the Trapdoor company hasn't been a real entity, but maybe their crew have been doing development and design for others to prove themselves. So far, its an odd choice by WotC.

It's unfortunate WotC and Trapdoor didn't coordinate their PR release so Trapdoor could shiny up their first impression, especially considering the troubled history WotC has had with electronic tools.

Bill

#5
June 11, 2014, 03:17:44 PM
A character and monster generator would be nice. If I want to create a customized ogre cleric, for example, a generator would make life easier.

cranebump

#6
June 11, 2014, 03:23:05 PM
A good online support system is key to expanding D&D's base. I've managed characters at the table via Hero Lab. Banning folks devices in this day and age is a fool's errand. People have smart phones. Might as well find a way to use them.
"When devils will the blackest sins put on, they do suggest at first with heavenly shows..."

Sacrosanct

#7
June 11, 2014, 03:30:31 PM
Quote from: cranebump;757456Banning folks devices in this day and age is a fool's errand..

Unless your group is all 40+ year olds like mine ;)
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

Exploderwizard

#8
June 11, 2014, 03:45:05 PM
Quote from: cranebump;757456A good online support system is key to expanding D&D's base. I've managed characters at the table via Hero Lab. Banning folks devices in this day and age is a fool's errand. People have smart phones. Might as well find a way to use them.

So long as those devices aren't connected to the internet during play, no problem.

Thus, any tools that require being online to use at the table can fuck off.
Quote from: JonWakeGamers, as a whole, are much like primitive cavemen when confronted with a new game. Rather than \'oh, neat, what\'s this do?\', the reaction is to decide if it\'s a sex hole, then hit it with a rock.

Quote from: Old Geezer;724252At some point it seems like D&D is going to disappear up its own ass.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;766997In the randomness of the dice lies the seed for the great oak of creativity and fun. The great virtue of the dice is that they come without boxed text.

Bill

#9
June 11, 2014, 03:59:35 PM
Quote from: Exploderwizard;757463So long as those devices aren't connected to the internet during play, no problem.

Thus, any tools that require being online to use at the table can fuck off.


It sure can be annoying when the party Paladin is standing there with a vacant expression while his player surfs the net for porn.

crkrueger

#10
June 11, 2014, 04:14:35 PM
Here's what they say the goals are:
  • A powerful and customizable character sheet.
  • Fast, guided, character creation.
  • Adventure management and tracking as a DM.
  • Party communications between players.
  • Simple rules search, bookmarking, and annotations.
  • Online or offline play.

1, 3 and 4 together mean this is a quasi-VTT application they're going for, which would be very cool.
5 and 6 together implies the free Basic stuff might be all loaded into the app or accessible from it, with the capability to add notes.

If they can pull it off, I'd buy it (provided I like Basic enough).  I love any tool online or off that allows for dense data to be offloaded onto other methods then a super complex charsheet.
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Haffrung

#11
June 11, 2014, 05:06:36 PM
I use the DDI occasionally at the table when I run 4E. It's handy to look up monsters. The only other thing I use my iPad for at the table is to play music. And I'm good enough buddies with my players that when I say "hey, are you here to play or to fuck around on your phone?" they'll put the phone down. Because yes, they have given up precious time in order to play D&D because that's what they actually want to be doing.
 

Spinachcat

#12
June 11, 2014, 07:33:14 PM
Any links from people posting discussions about what they learned during the Origins demo?

BarefootGaijin

#13
June 11, 2014, 09:36:54 PM
It looks like an exciting time was had by all.

Tablets to play tabletop. Character sheets.

Great use of integrated and shared dice roller. No wait, we have physical dice.
I play these games to be entertained... I don't want to see games about rape, sodomy and drug addiction... I can get all that at home.

estar

#14
June 11, 2014, 11:27:27 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat;757451And into the Trapdoor we go!

Hopefully these Trapdoor guys actually can deliver, clearly the Trapdoor company hasn't been a real entity, but maybe their crew have been doing development and design for others to prove themselves. So far, its an odd choice by WotC.

It's unfortunate WotC and Trapdoor didn't coordinate their PR release so Trapdoor could shiny up their first impression, especially considering the troubled history WotC has had with electronic tools.

It not like there isn't at least a half dozen other companies that have proven track records of releasing RPG Software. For example the guys behind Roll20.net.
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