Quote from: Haffrung;754852It's no more or less acceptable than World of Warcraft or Skyrim. And does D&D really need to be marketed to 10 and 12 year olds to be successful?

What's your definition of success?

Man the Character It First crowd sure are sore losers.

Quote from: Endless Flight;754859What's your definition of success?

Closer to 3E level of sales and sustained popularity than 4E.

Quote from: Brander;754836Did you miss the various World of Warcraft tv ads?  I mean they had the Prince of Darkness himself (Ozzy Osbourne) in one of them.  Those could have easily been D&D ads, if WotC had Blizzard's budget.  Diablo as well.  As far as I can tell, the "satanic panic" as a phenomena is over  (as opposed to just a parent being an idiot).

Quote from: Sacrosanct;754840It would be cool if they could do that though, with real celebrity D&D players.

"I'm Tim Duncan, and I am a wizard." (this one is particularly interesting because he's not only a jock and "jocks hate geeks", but he's arguably the best PF to every play in the NBA--lots of credibility there)
"I'm Vin Diesel, and I'm a barbarian."
"We're Ben Afflec and Matt Damon, and we're lovers...er...we are a wizard and a fighter."
"I'm Dame Judy Dench, and I am the dungeon master.  What else did you expect?"
"I'm Kari Byron, and I am a warrior." (from mythbusters)
"I'm the Rock.  What do you think I play?"
"Hi, this is Joss Whedon, Wil Wheaton, and Nathan Fillon.  Want to join our game?"
"I'm Stephen Colbert.  Maybe you've heard of me. Or my rogue assassin."

But on what channel?  I don't see it flying on Nick or Cartoon Network.  I just don't.  Adult Swim, SiFi, (do they have ads during Game of Thrones?) - anywhere where they advertise M rated video games is probably okay.

I'll happy post to a thread admitting I'm wrong when we see an ad though.

Quote from: Haffrung;754852It's no more or less acceptable than World of Warcraft or Skyrim. And does D&D really need to be marketed to 10 and 12 year olds to be successful?

I don't know but why not try it given it's already been done the other way previously.

Quote from: trechriron;754861Man the Character It First crowd sure are sore losers.

the really mind blowing thing is that on this forum at least, it's not the character first crowd.  That's why this whole thing is so odd.  Many of the folks who have come off as character first are the same ones who for years adamantly argued that options in chargen wasn't important, but it was how you played that PC in actual play that defined them, their style, and all that jazz.  Chargen was only important insofar as to be a rough outline of the PC type you wanted.  That you could have two identical fighters in B/X mechanically, but have them be completely different in how you play them.  Now some of these same people are implying that chargen is the entire purpose of the game?  

Truly baffling.

It's also telling that some of these people refuse to actually address some of the questions presented.  Like the whole, "Do you consider someone who uses an array, max HP, and a pre-made adventurer's pack, and chooses a dwarf in B/X to be creating a character?  And if so, how is that so fundamentally different from them choosing a pre-made dwarf in that one is experiencing a "true" rpg experience and the other is not, since really the only choice each is making is playing a dwarf?"

Quote from: Sacrosanct;754840It would be cool if they could do that though, with real celebrity D&D players.

"I'm Tim Duncan, and I am a wizard." (this one is particularly interesting because he's not only a jock and "jocks hate geeks", but he's arguably the best PF to every play in the NBA--lots of credibility there)
"I'm Vin Diesel, and I'm a barbarian."
"We're Ben Afflec and Matt Damon, and we're lovers...er...we are a wizard and a fighter."
"I'm Dame Judy Dench, and I am the dungeon master.  What else did you expect?"
"I'm Kari Byron, and I am a warrior." (from mythbusters)
"I'm the Rock.  What do you think I play?"
"Hi, this is Joss Whedon, Wil Wheaton, and Nathan Fillon.  Want to join our game?"
"I'm Stephen Colbert.  Maybe you've heard of me. Or my rogue assassin."

That would be pretty awesome.

Quote from: Ladybird;754847My Little Pony is popular due to the writing, apparently. Nab their writers and do a cartoon about the powers of TEAMWORK and FRIENDSHIP and ADVENTURE. Merchandise the hell out of it.

The RPG would probably end up just being this wierd side-thing off to the side of the rest of the brand, but I think people would be a lot happier with that being the case than they'd think; Hasbro evidently know how to deal with an unexpected fanbase.

Agreed. But the animators from Avatar would be a nice touch too, that show is frickin' beautiful. Of course they're probably busy with Legend of Korra.

Actually speaking of MLP the only thing I can think of that they've even come close to advertising two months in advance is the new Equestria Girls movie, and even then, the dolls for it are already out.

Quote from: mcbobbo;754865do they have ads during Game of Thrones?)

Nope, it's on HBO.

QuoteBut on what channel?  I don't see it flying on Nick or Cartoon Network.  I just don't.  Adult Swim, SiFi, - anywhere where they advertise M rated video games is probably okay.

I dunno, I think they could run it anywhere that a T-rated video game could run. I mean, I've had plenty of campaigns that were about as dark as, say, Legend of Zelda.

Edit: Might as well advertise on the Hub... I mean, after all, they own it. I could also see them advertising on the CW... Between Arrow, the upcoming Flash, the 100, Vampire Diaries, and the Originals, they have a lot of genre shows on.

Quote from: dragoner;754850... and KILL THEM, LOOT the CORPSES, pray the strange EVIL GODS for MAGIC POWERS. lol

D&D has a way to go before it is acceptable for kids.

Missed the 80s did you?

The D&D cartoon series had most of the points he listed AND they succeeded in not killing anyone. Well... mostly. Its main thrust was friendship and especially teamwork.

Quote from: Omega;754877Missed the 80s did you?

The D&D cartoon series had most of the points he listed AND they succeeded in not killing anyone. Well... mostly. Its main thrust was friendship and especially teamwork.

Sorry, I was actually playing D&D at that point; never saw it (though I knew it existed - later). So there is your point break, why make a cartoon that can't reach it's intended audience?

Quote from: dragoner;754880Sorry, I was actually playing D&D at that point; never saw it (though I knew it existed - later). So there is your point break, why make a cartoon that can't reach it's intended audience?

I thought the intended audience was pretty much anyone over 10.  I was playing D&D back then too, and yes, my sessions were a million more times violent than the cartoons.  But I still enjoyed them.  Also, no one says that have to be like that again.  The Teen Titans cartoon was fairly dark.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;754882I thought the intended audience was pretty much anyone over 10.  I was playing D&D back then too, and yes, my sessions were a million more times violent than the cartoons.  But I still enjoyed them.  Also, no one says that have to be like that again.  The Teen Titans cartoon was fairly dark.

AFAIK, "dark" cartoons are Adult Swim fare, not that of the kids variety; look at the crackdown on "war-toys".

edit: And that being said, if the makers of Metalocalypse made a D&D cartoon for Adult Swim, I would watch that. Probably never happen though.

Quote from: dragoner;754896AFAIK, "dark" cartoons are Adult Swim fare, not that of the kids variety; look at the crackdown on "war-toys".

edit: And that being said, if the makers of Metalocalypse made a D&D cartoon for Adult Swim, I would watch that. Probably never happen though.

I still think that the name alone pushes it into risky territory,  let alone the content.

But as noted, if they elect to do TV spots at all, they're probably going to run them on the Hub.

Quote from: dragoner;754896AFAIK, "dark" cartoons are Adult Swim fare, not that of the kids variety; look at the crackdown on "war-toys".

edit: And that being said, if the makers of Metalocalypse made a D&D cartoon for Adult Swim, I would watch that. Probably never happen though.

Teen Titans is very much a kids cartoon.  I think it could really work.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;754921Teen Titans is very much a kids cartoon.  I think it could really work.

Transformers: Prime also had a good many dark moments, with several plots feeling like they were pulled from a horror movie, and a named character voiced by The Rock being killed in the first 10 minutes of the show. (Also, the whole being turned into a terrorcon, having his legs blown off and aimlessly trying to attack his old friends like a zombie as he dragged himself across the ground)

Not to mention the absolute legions of Decepticon mooks that got destroyed in the show.

And it was a afternoon kids show on The Hub (which, lets be honest, is the channel any D&D cartoon would be on), and was later added to the CW Saturday morning block in reruns.

I agree with mcbobbo that it is pushing risky territory. I can't say I know anything about Teen Titans, the hub or even the Transformer cartoons. I'm 47 though, in my defence.