Quote from: James McMurraySince I've consistently said that I'm not defining the levels beyond an idea, that makes perfect sense. If you'll read what I say and realize that I keep repeating "I'm not qualified and I don't know who is" you might avoid herniating yourse;lf in the rush to reply to a thread you so obviously despise.

As to who decides, I have no fucking clue. If the idea was ever implemented (and it won't be) I'd hope that applicants were taken, credentials checked, and the best possible candidates amongst the psychological, criminological, and economical experts were picked.

I don't despise the thread and I'm a bit freaked that you think I do. I just think saying 'I have an ethical question but I really don'y know what I'm talking about and have little opinion' isn't reallt a compelling argument for taking peoples rights away although your blind trust of any random government is sweet. If you want to have control of peoples basic biology please at least have a fucking agenda!:rollbarf:

You've made your point. I think it's immaterial, because I'm not discussing a plan but an idea. If you think discussing ideas is worthless and my argument is not compelling, why are you here?

Quote from: James McMurrayHell, we won't even let child-targetting sex offenders live near schools, why the hell should they be allowed to home grow their own victims?

We're talking about different countries but paedophiles aren't allowed near any children here including their own biological ones.

Quote from: James McMurrayWhatever that means. I'm assuming it means you don't have a list of middle class values I supposedly endorse wholeheartedly because of my middle class identification issues.

So you're full of crap, are we clear on that?

edit: crossposted, this was aimed at droog.

Let's examine this view about vetting poor people. For a start, it shows you have no concept of how capitalism works. People who identify with the working class are naturally horrified at your suggestion, as they see themselves having to get a baby licence one day. Capitalists will simply laugh – as if that's on the agenda! The middle classes will quibble about 'values' till the cows come home.

So there you are, caught between labour and capital. Actually you're an exploited worker like all the rest of us, but you don't like that side; because you managed to crawl out of it in your view.

I've got some more, but not for this thread.

Quote from: James McMurrayYou've made your point. I think it's immaterial, because I'm not discussing a plan but an idea. If you think discussing ideas is worthless and my argument is not compelling, why are you here?

Because I don't understand how somebody could claim to have a stance on something so invasive to every part of our respective societies without considering to whom it would be implemented even before looking at the effects. You're acting like it's an idea that's plucked out of thin air with no agenda behind it and I frankly doubt you.

Tell me who you're going to sterilise or tell me who you're going to let sterilise people that's all I want. You want an ethical argument take an ethical stance.

Quote from: James McMurrayIt's pretty obvious that most people think it's a horrible idea if some welfare moms aren't allowed to spurt out new babies.

Spurt? These are people we are talking about.

QuoteIt's called a typo. Perhaps you've heard of them?

Blah de blah

You know, something about this thread just makes me keep thinking of a certain other modest proposal for controlling the population of the poor.

I believe that children are our future.

• Teach them well and let them lead the way.
  
• Show them all the beauty they possess inside.
  
• Give them a sense of pride to make it easier
  

Let the children's laughter remind us how we used to be

   I decided, long ago ...

Yeah.  That's stuck in my head now.

   ... never to walk in anyone's shadow ...

Thank you for that Stuart.  Thank you straight to HELL. :mad:

Ideally, I would force a worldwide moratorium on childbirth until there wasn't a single kid left to adopt.

In pragmatic terms, however, there's a very simple reason why there isn't a single country in the world I know of that pre-emptively restricts childbirth over the issue of "parental worthiness" (lots of countries do so after the fact of course, and China restricts childbirth over population issues, but that's neither here nor there).  Simply put, there's never been an effective way to determine what would work and what wouldn't, and no effective way to enforce such a thing outside of mass-sterlizations (something that goes against not just cultural taboos but basic human instincts, which is why even in the rare instances that governments have attempted small-scale versions of this sort of thing, its been done with secrecy).  Its simply impractical.

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And for that, the Lord make us truly thankful.

Quote from: Garry GWe're talking about different countries but paedophiles aren't allowed near any children here including their own biological ones.

Sounds good to me.

Quote from: droogLet's examine this view about vetting poor people. For a start, it shows you have no concept of how capitalism works. People who identify with the working class are naturally horrified at your suggestion, as they see themselves having to get a baby licence one day. Capitalists will simply laugh – as if that's on the agenda! The middle classes will quibble about 'values' till the cows come home.

So there you are, caught between labour and capital. Actually you're an exploited worker like all the rest of us, but you don't like that side; because you managed to crawl out of it in your view.

I've got some more, but not for this thread.

That's not a list of middle class values,. not even close. Instead it's another assignment of values to people based on their economic standing. Would you say that all blacks or all Australians hold a vertain set of values, or is it only ok when you pick the group to stereotype?

Quote from: Garry GBecause I don't understand how somebody could claim to have a stance on something so invasive to every part of our respective societies without considering to whom it would be implemented even before looking at the effects. You're acting like it's an idea that's plucked out of thin air with no agenda behind it and I frankly doubt you.

Tell me who you're going to sterilise or tell me who you're going to let sterilise people that's all I want. You want an ethical argument take an ethical stance.

I guess you just won't get it. I suppose we're done here, since you're asking questions I've admitted I don't know the answers to. you can continue asking, but I'm don'e saying "I don't know."

Quote from: One Horse TownSpurt? These are people we are talking about.

It's a turn of phrase. You know, a word used to make an otherwise bland statement colorful. If you got the impression that I think people are out there cashing welfare checks while shooting children across the room from their vaginas that wasn't the intent.

But there are people who have children for child support and welfare benefits. I know, my first daughter's mom is one, and she did it at the urging of her mom.