Quote from: The Traveller;706936Your shit is ruined and people are laughing at you.

How does that feel?

Quick call to anyone reading this: Anyone here laughing at me? Seriously, if you are, respond, I'd be curious to hear anyone who actually thinks I'm not making sense or getting "destroyed" by Traveller's lack of a real argument.

Also, seriously, this isn't even an argument. How about you try to respond to what I'm saying rather than pretending you've won.

Here I'll even help you out by breaking this down real simple like:

1. Brand confusion = People not knowing the difference between two brands.

2. CRPGs and TTRPGs are not brands.

3. People do not confuse one for the other.

Since 1 is true, 2 is true, and 3 is true, there is zero brand confusion going on.

One being massively more popular than the other means less than nothing on the argument of whether there is confusion. It actually implies there is no confusion between the two, as if there was actual confusion, the 'brand' that would be helped would actually be the one that is LESS popular, as people would be buying it when meaning to buy the other.

Quote from: The Traveller;706945Here you go. But of course then I remember that despite having already read and responded to that post you've welded yourself to the concept of storygaming, and as a member of such a right wing collective, and generally an outlier among even them, have elected to disdain all roleplaying initiatives, I feel that your purported allegiance will be no protection given the naiveté of your fellows regarding the value of your products.

In short, you are a chinless rider of your mother, and fuckall can help you at this point.

LOL what?

You are so deluded it's starting to become a bit sad.

Quote from: Emperor Norton;706947Quick call to anyone reading this: Anyone here laughing at me? Seriously, if you are, respond, I'd be curious to hear anyone who actually thinks I'm not making sense or getting "destroyed" by Traveller's lack of a real argument.

Nope, it's just Traveller doing his usual thing again - a vague statement defended by non-sequiturs, abuse, and arbitrary declarations of victory.

Quote from: Emperor Norton;706947Quick call to anyone reading this: Anyone here laughing at me? Seriously, if you are, respond, I'd be curious to hear anyone who actually thinks I'm not making sense or getting "destroyed" by Traveller's lack of a real argument.

Yes please.

Respond.

Anyone who thinks this freewheeling bullshit has a leg under it, by all means respond. Except Soviet, we already know you're a tedious little fellow who thinks he smells blood in the water, like a tit, so don't bother.

Quote from: The Traveller;706952thinks he smells blood in the water, like a tit

?

That's sharks you're thinking of there. Tits are something else. You'll find out about them when you get older. Well, maybe.

Well, unless someone comes in with a real counterpoint, or at least a perspective to consider, I'm done with the thread.

No point in restating exact the same argument another time while Traveller refuses to actually engage it and pretends he has won.

Quote from: soviet;706953?

That's sharks you're thinking of there. Tits are something else. You'll find out about them when you get older. Well, maybe.

When you sober up, this will look a lot less cool than you thought it did.

Quote from: Emperor Norton;706954Well, unless someone comes in with a real counterpoint, or at least a perspective to consider, I'm done with the thread.

No point in restating exact the same argument another time while Traveller refuses to actually engage it and pretends he has won.

Buh bye! Loser.

If you want to undermine videogames, just point out that every first-person shooter is based on a Tabletop RPG.

Quote from: The Traveller;706946Oh it's quite realistic. This is all very doable, as long as the will exists.

Well,  I'd love for my suspicions to be proven wrong, honestly.

The only advantages to computer games are instantaneous access any time, and "they're purty."

They are also so incredibly limited that the best computer game experience I've had barely matches a less-than-average tabletop experience.  A computer game already has all possibilities mapped out.

Quote from: Arduin;706780There is no such thing as a CRPG.  The computer can't determine if you are Roleplaying.  The computer can't RP either.  Ergo, it is just a computer game...

That being said (because it is 100% correct), it is like comparing apples & oranges.  Might as well compare Chess to an RPG...

A CRPGs is a game where you play an individual character with your actions adjudicated by software.

A Tabletop RPG is a game where you play an individual character with your action adjudicated by a human referee.

A LARP is a game where you play live action as an individual character and your actions are adjudicated by a set of mutually agreed upon rules.

Quote from: Old Geezer;706975The only advantages to computer games are instantaneous access any time, and "they're purty."

They are also so incredibly limited that the best computer game experience I've had barely matches a less-than-average tabletop experience.  A computer game already has all possibilities mapped out.

A CRPG is more like a movie or tv show with interactive features. It can be a compelling experience like a good movie or good tv show.

Tabletop RPGs are their own thing. CRPGs are their own thing, MMORPGs are there own thing, LARPS are their own thing and so on. All of them are roleplaying games with their origins in 1974 D&D but everything else beyond tabletop are their own type of games or forms of entertainment.

Today having grown up and extensively play all four, I just enjoy each of them on their own merits.

The game that blurred the line the most was Neverwinter Nights by Bioware. It was fairly faithful to the 3.0 rules, sported a DM Mode, and extensive customization facilities.  

But after an intense period of playing it, it was nothing like tabletop roleplaying even with a DM using DM Mode. When I ran the game as a DM I was more of a LARP style event director than a tabletop referee. My focus was running around making sure all the "NPCs" were where they were supposed to be. Along with occasionally jumping into a NPC and interacting with the player.

Very little of the tools or material I used for my tabletop campaign was used with the Neverwinter Nights games I ran. Also the more automated it got the more like a MMORPG it became.


As far as computer software go, the only one that is complimentary with tabletop roleplaying is the Virtual Tabletop. A whiteboard plus voice/chat. With VTTs you are doing the same things using the same tools as you do when sitting around the table.

MMORPGs, CRPGs, LARPS, and the rest are their own type of actitivity wi

Tabletop RPGs is perfectly fine. So our little hobby got overtaken by technology and video games appropriated its name as well as many gameplay concepts. Boo hoo.