I think he meant something like:- "I love game-design, I live and breathe it, I love it more than anything else in the world, even more than I love playing games, which I actually do like doing, honest!"

It just doesn't necessarily come across that way to a bunch of curmudgeonly old reactionary sceptics.

But seriously, this thread is a complete trainwreck already. BV started it with a post quoting from a game-designer to illustrate the shitness of that designer's school of game design, and then claims that it wasn't casting aspersions on that game-designer's games? Well, that's not exactly the best-thought-out thread idea I've ever heard of. One ban already [ed. I thought it was a ban for gamerGoyf but apparently not?], and a new recruit to the site whose idea of the "worst player ever" is anyone deeply committed to immersion (or to what he calls "simulationism", which is not the same thing), and who thinks that such players are busy ruining people's fun all the time. And then a few accusations of OneTrueWayism, some whinging about theorywank plus some allusions to the usual diet of compulsory bitching and whining about that other RPG-related site with a big tangency section. And now even the usually placid Old Geezer is getting bitchy!

If we carry on like this, we might just end up reanimating the mercifully dead corpse of the Forge. How about a new thread about game-design rooted in practical experience instead?

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Yeah looks like I fucked the dog there. I'd delete the offending post but several people already quoted it.

Quote from: J Arcane;689887'just discovered the dorm wifi is an alternative to having friends.'

Back in the day, the same type of individual probably would have spent all their time at the campus video arcade or playing the atari 2600 all day.  :banghead:

(ie. Away from anybody else).  :rolleyes:


These days, such individuals are harder to avoid.

I'll be honest, I don't have a lot of experience with RPG forums; I mostly stick to G+. Is TheRPGsite usually like this, or did I just get dragged into a particularly poor example of a thread?

Quote from: Omnifray;689898I think he meant something like:- "I love game-design, I live and breathe it, I love it more than anything else in the world, even more than I love playing games, which I actually do like doing, honest!"

It just doesn't necessarily come across that way to a bunch of curmudgeonly old reactionary sceptics.

That is, more or less, how I meant it. I probably should have been more clear, but admittedly I did that interview back in May, and didn't really expect anyone to actually care about an interview about a guy who doesn't use his blog much.

Quote from: Omnifray;689898a new recruit to the site whose idea of the "worst player ever" is anyone deeply committed to immersion (or to what he calls "simulationism", which is not the same thing), and who thinks that such players are busy ruining people's fun all the time

Immersion isn't my goal when I play, but I certainly believe it can be fun. There's a big difference between people who like immersive games and people who are dicks about it. We all have pet peeves in games, mine just happens to be people who take the game too seriously, and more specifically, people who are evangelical at the table about it.

Quote from: Cheneybeast;689910Is TheRPGsite usually like this, or did I just get dragged into a particularly poor example of a thread?

Welcome to theRPGsite.

Quote from: Cheneybeast;689910I'll be honest, I don't have a lot of experience with RPG forums; I mostly stick to G+. Is TheRPGsite usually like this, or did I just get dragged into a particularly poor example of a thread?

Yes.


Meaning this is an example of a train wreck thread, but we have train wrecks a lot, people just go to a different thread.

Quote from: Cheneybeast;689912That is, more or less, how I meant it. I probably should have been more clear, but admittedly I did that interview back in May, and didn't really expect anyone to actually care about an interview about a guy who doesn't use his blog much.

Fair enough.

Quote from: Cheneybeast;689912Immersion isn't my goal when I play, but I certainly believe it can be fun. There's a big difference between people who like immersive games and people who are dicks about it. We all have pet peeves in games, mine just happens to be people who take the game too seriously, and more specifically, people who are evangelical at the table about it.

Well, I think "Don't be a dick about it" is a pretty good rule in general.  And of course there's a vast middle between "The room recedes into the background and I feel like I'm really there," (a claim I've seen elsewhere) and "Could we cut out the fucking Monty Python jokes for a MINUTE?"

This is actually a very good exemplar of threads on theRPGsite.  If this thread is closed, it'll be perfect.  

I enjoy game design at least as much as playing - probably more, because I can do it more.  I like to work on setting and rules in my spare time (which isn't as common as I'd like).  While I play weekly, I fully agree that it's easier to work on game design basically anytime rather than getting the gang together for a session.  In fact, we're likely to be skipping the next 2-4 weeks due to conflicting schedules.  But I'll be thinking about the game during the brief hiatus.  

Put some links in your sig for the game you've designed.  If Black Vulmea doesn't think he'll like it, it's worth checking out.

It's the price we all pay for the freedom to kvetch. Overall, it is well worth the price. Actually good ideas are hammered out here, probably due to the free flow of phlegm, blood, and bile. (Not as much lymph, but I think perhaps other websites wallow in their self-tortured misery better. We have room to improve!)

Quote from: VectorSigma;689872BV, I think your general point in the OP about "designers who are primarily math-masturbators" is fair . . .

Thank you for not reading more into what I quoted than what I quoted.

If I had anything to say - anything at all - about SC!, I'm more than capable of saying it, without the slightest degree of ambiguity.

Quote from: VectorSigma;689872. . . but introducing it with the quote from Ian has perhaps made some folks think your intent with the conversation is more specific than intended.

Not "some folks" - just [strike]Mistwell[/strike] Mangina, Queen of the Desert.

Quote from: deadDMwalking;689921Put some links in your sig for the game you've designed.  If Black Vulmea doesn't think he'll like it, it's worth checking out.

Oh wow, so I can be a shill, but on the DL? That's convenient.

Oh look I'm just posting casually don't bother looking down here or nuthin'
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Quote from: Sacrosanct;689879Wow.  This post is full of irony.  Complaining about people being dismissive of others in the same sentence as dismissing them yourself with comments like "neckbeard."  Good job on that.

That post is also a LITERAL quote of Frank Trollman running his mouth about the RPG Site on the Den, without quotation marks. So either gG is a sock puppet of Frank, in which case that's pathetic, or he's such a fan of Frank he reads him and thinks he's some sort of absolute font of wisdom or something, which is just as pathetic.

Either way, . . . Yeah. That's pathetic.

I hadn't checked out the Gaming Den in a couple of years. Seems pretty quiet over there now. Lot of similar threads, some even with the same title as here. Is there a group of shills running around posting the same lame trolls/comments to a bunch of RPG forums just to boost the RPG traffic?

Quote from: Cheneybeast;689932Oh wow, so I can be a shill, but on the DL? That's convenient.

Oh look I'm just posting casually don't bother looking down here or nuthin'
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Dude, your game Kickstarter is a real turn-off. It looks like nothing new. It is gonzo for the sake of gonzo and uses a cutesy playing card mechanic.