Quote from: Bill;688451I like knights.


I just don't think a paladin needs to be a knight.

Once a paladin always a paladin,
but once a knight is enough

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Quote from: Bill;688451I like knights.


I just don't think a paladin needs to be a knight.

To me a paladin is a Knight. Notice: not a knight, a Knight. Capital K. He (or She) is Galaad, or Perceval, or Lancelot before his fall from grace, basically. Not all knights (little k) are automatically Paladins. That's something that is earned from (the) God(s), not just inherited with status.

Quote from: Benoist;688710To me a paladin is a Knight. Notice: not a knight, a Knight. Capital K. He (or She) is Galaad, or Perceval, or Lancelot before his fall from grace, basically. Not all knights (little k) are automatically Paladins. That's something that is earned from (the) God(s), not just inherited with status.

A knight can be a Paladin.

A Paladin need not be a knight.


That's how I prefer my Paladins.

Dnd have such a proliferatoon of classes. Sadly, harkening back to its wargame roots, ir cant really be resolved!!??
Is the only reason it isnt dropped is because it is an original class?

All the wonderful sage comments it is a question only a sphinx would understand,lol.

Quote from: TristramEvans;684589And Excalibur was a really horribly written film. It had a nice soundtrack and some visualsbut the plotting and dialogue was on par with the Transformers films

Excalibur is one of my favorite movies.

Simply in answer to the OP:-

- a cleric is a [warrior] priest... an ordained member of a religion [who has taken up arms];

- a paladin is specifically a holy knight... a warrior of such inherently pure soul that (s)he lives the code of faith and chivalry to the full; a paladin who falls from grace may well be driven into the arms of darkness (as an anti-paladin).

Clerics on the whole will tend to be more studious and more educated, to have a subtler knowledge of the theories of miraculous intervention and prayer and to have earnt the favour of their gods through long hours of religious ceremonies. As the god of even a prodigal cleric could forgive his cleric and intervene dramatically on his behalf, a cleric can perform powerful magic if his god permits, even if he has failed to keep to the tenets of his faith in some respect. A cleric could follow a benevolent or malevolent deity, or an in-betweener. They may have strictures of the faith imposing taboos as to the weapons they use, or other odd requirements, for instance as to dress.

Paladins on the whole will tend to be braver, more zealous, more chivalrous, more honour-bound, more heroic, generally speaking more restricted by their ethos/outlook (more difficult and dangerous to play) and altogether more combat-oriented. Their magic is likely to reflect their innate holiness rather than the intervention of their god, and they have not spent the long hours in religious ceremonies that a cleric has to earn their gods' favours to the same extent. Their magic is likely to be simpler, more direct, less often used and limited by the paladin's own innate holy power. Paladins are necessarily holy knights, and are likely to be in full armour, wielding sword, lance and shield to make their point.

Quote from: hamstertamer;689186Excalibur is one of my favorite movies.

And I like The Cannonball Run (the first movie), but it doesn't change the fact that it made Dumb and Dumber look like the work of Ingmar Bergman.

In a way, Excalibur and the Transformers flicks are a lot alike:  they both have big special effects budgets and great individual scenes (and soundtracks), but the acting, dialogue, and plot leave a lot to be desired.

Quote from: hamstertamer;689186Excalibur is one of my favorite movies.

Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks I guess.

Quote from: flyerfan1991;689190And I like The Cannonball Run (the first movie), but it doesn't change the fact that it made Dumb and Dumber look like the work of Ingmar Bergman.

In a way, Excalibur and the Transformers flicks are a lot alike:  they both have big special effects budgets and great individual scenes (and soundtracks), but the acting, dialogue, and plot leave a lot to be desired.

You obviously saw a different Merlin than I did.

JG

Quote from: James Gillen;689253You obviously saw a different Merlin than I did.

JG

I prefer the Merlin from Knight Riders to the Merlin from Excalibur.