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D&D/Old School snark in printed game books?

Started by J Arcane, August 28, 2013, 08:46:50 AM

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Bedrockbrendan

#30
August 30, 2013, 04:18:36 PM
Quote from: thedungeondelver;687140Would the entirety of Hackmaster be anti-D&D snark?

I think it came from a place of love. I never had the core books but the modules always seemed like you had to have played and enjoyed the originals to enjoy find them funny. Knights of the dinner table and hackmaster struck me more as D&D players making fun of themselves.

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#31
August 30, 2013, 05:03:38 PM
Quote from: BedrockBrendan;687142I think it came from a place of love. I never had the core books but the modules always seemed like you had to have played and enjoyed the originals to enjoy find them funny. Knights of the dinner table and hackmaster struck me more as D&D players making fun of themselves.

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#32
August 30, 2013, 05:11:02 PM
Quote from: jeff37923;687114I remember the anti-D&D snark in either Cyberpunk 2013 or 2020. I think it was 2013. I loved the comment by Bruce Sterling about Shadowrun, mainly because I agree with it.

Gibson isn't a fan either, but he's too busy having a career as a world-famous author and futurist to actually care about it beyond a question in an interview once.

Anti-whatever snark will quickly turn me off a book. Don't tell me why (You think) another game is shit. Tell me why your game is great, on it's own merits... that said, the GURPS dungeon advice sounds pretty sound to me. You can throw some monsters in a set of rooms, and that'll be fun, or you can think about it and make it even more fun.
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#33
August 30, 2013, 05:24:28 PM
Quote from: thedungeondelver;687140Would the entirety of Hackmaster be anti-D&D snark?

It's all Pro-D&D Satire and Parody.
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#34
August 30, 2013, 06:34:11 PM
When I went to the game club for my AD&D1e game earlier this week, it struck me how many people were sitting around with figurines on grids, and how many more had character sheets and were rolling dice. Nobody else was playing AD&D1e, but...

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#35
August 30, 2013, 07:07:19 PM
Quote from: jeff37923;687114I loved the comment by Bruce Sterling about Shadowrun, mainly because I agree with it.

You dont happen to have that quote handy do you? Just curious about it.
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#36
August 30, 2013, 07:20:49 PM
Quote from: Ronin;687175You dont happen to have that quote handy do you? Just curious about it.

From Bruce Sterling's The Hacker Crackdown:
QuoteThe next cyberpunk game had been the even more successful Shadowrun by FASA Corporation. The mechanics of this game were fine, but the scenario was rendered moronic by sappy fantasy elements like elves, trolls, wizards, and dragons—all highly ideologically-incorrect, according to the hard-edged, high-tech standards of cyberpunk science fiction.
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August 30, 2013, 07:21:58 PM
Interesting, thank you
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#38
August 30, 2013, 07:22:12 PM
Quote from: Ladybird;687156Anti-whatever snark will quickly turn me off a book. Don't tell me why (You think) another game is shit. Tell me why your game is great, on it's own merits...

Agreed. It just shows a complete lack of class.

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August 31, 2013, 06:14:19 AM
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;687170You may choose to hate your parents, but you still look like them.
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#40
August 31, 2013, 07:25:12 AM
I think some folks' snark detectors are a little too sensitive. So what if Ken St Andre didn't like AC and said so, or if the first guys to come up with a unified skill system were proud of it, or if Steve Jackson thought GURPS was better than the competition.
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#41
August 31, 2013, 04:14:41 PM
Quote from: The_Shadow;687258I think some folks' snark detectors are a little too sensitive. So what if Ken St Andre didn't like AC and said so, or if the first guys to come up with a unified skill system were proud of it, or if Steve Jackson thought GURPS was better than the competition.

Yeah, dissing on D&D isn't something Id conflate with dissing on hackNSlash dungeon crawls with no internal setting logic anyways.

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#42
August 31, 2013, 07:59:48 PM
heh...go read some old Space Gamers and you'll get a clearer picture of SJ's attitudes :D
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#43
September 01, 2013, 01:53:26 PM
Quote from: The_Shadow;687258I think some folks' snark detectors are a little too sensitive. So what if Ken St Andre didn't like AC and said so, or if the first guys to come up with a unified skill system were proud of it, or if Steve Jackson thought GURPS was better than the competition.

I like GURPS as a system but I don't believe it to be "better" or "worse" than D&D. GURPS is complex and tactical, D&D is simple & abstract. They each do a good job. Its all about what you want as a player. Do you want to just generate a quick archetype character in 5 minutes and get playing or do you feel like building the exact character you want. I see these games at opposite ends of a spectrum instead of competitors with each other.
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#44
September 02, 2013, 06:31:01 AM
Quote from: Exploderwizard;687484I like GURPS as a system but I don't believe it to be "better" or "worse" than D&D. GURPS is complex and tactical, D&D is simple & abstract. They each do a good job. Its all about what you want as a player. Do you want to just generate a quick archetype character in 5 minutes and get playing or do you feel like building the exact character you want. I see these games at opposite ends of a spectrum instead of competitors with each other.

That's pretty much my attitude too (always been a fan of both games).
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