Quote from: Opaopajr;685166It's an automator, snazzy and new due to advances in technology, but it's still just an automator. 4e is not "better" because of its automator, period.

Wow, way to completely not follow the conversation dumb dumb.  I am not arguing the DDI makes 4e a "better" game than other games - it's not even my game of choice you jackass.  I was purely arguing it was highly accessible to new players.  That's it, the beginning and end of my point.

QuoteI've used it and it's not the sine qua non advantage that separates 4e from other editions -- as was your contestation.

My what? My contestation?  I think the word you're looking for is contention, and no it was not my contention.  I said it made the game accessible to new players, not an advantage that separates it from other editions.  Are you confusing my posts with someone else's posts?

QuoteThe reason to play 4e is not because of DDI; it is a utility, nothing more. If you are going to use 4e it helps, it however does not convince you to use 4e when you are otherwise not interested. And yes, THAT is why there is parity.

Yeah, dumbass, when I used the word parity, I was talking about whether the UTILITIES amongst various games had reached parity with each other, NOT THE GAMES.  Which you knew.  You were following that part of the conversation before.  So now you're brain has either wandered off and lost track of the conversation, or you're just constructing a strawman.

All I said was the DDI electronic utility is superior to the electronic utilities available for the other versions of D&D (and thus makes 4e accessible to new players) - Not that 4e was better than other versions of D&D! 5e is my preferred version of D&D, and it has NO electronic support that I am aware of.

QuoteThis topic is about Next being close to Basic. It could care less about 4e knowledge in general, and I could care less about your opinion about my 4e knowledge. This is about how to emulate a feel for older styles as the company mitigates ill will generated previously. 4e is just not that important to this discussion here.

I didn't raise the topic of 4e, dumb dumb.  I simply replied to an erroneous comment concerning it, and you went off like someone pulled your cord, Chatty Cathy.  If it's not relevant to you - stop acting like it's highly important and shut the fuck up already and let the adults continue their conversation.

I did like the compost discussion though!

Mistwell, is there anything you won't argue pedantically?

Quote from: Archangel Fascist;685281Mistwell, is there anything you won't argue pedantically?

Mistwell is really notorious for the whole "white knighting" thing, to the point of idiocy. Get used to it. He's been doing it years.

Quote from: Mistwell;685276I have no problem with that at all.  I am not overly fond of it either.  I am speaking to the issue of accessibility to new players - not my personal preference for gaming.

That said, my life is just too fucking busy these days to go through all the stuff required to form a 3e character that will function with what DMs tend to create/use these days.  That was a fun  minigame for me, back before I had a kid.  But now, I just don't have the time or patience to spread out 15 friggen books on the floor to pour through stuff to match things to my character concept that will actually work OK with each other and make for a survivable character in the overpowered deathtraps DMs seem to like to use these days (often from Paizo).

So, for now at least, 5e is hitting that sweet spot for me.  And God knows you don't need a computer program to make that one page character sheet work.

Dude, I am really liking the direction DDN is going as well such that I suspect its final form will be my favorite edition, but you do not have to make hyperbolic statements about 3.x to get there.

Quote from: Old One Eye;685409Dude, I am really liking the direction DDN is going as well such that I suspect its final form will be my favorite edition, but you do not have to make hyperbolic statements about 3.x to get there.

Sorry if it seemed like I was saying that was generally true for 3.x.  What I meant was, that was true for the games I was playing in, right before we ditched 3.x..  I don't think it's generally true that you need 15 books for 3.x.

I probably have a picture on an old harddrive my wife took of me with 15 books open on our family room floor as I figure out my next character.  I think it was a higher level shadowcraft gnome build.

I am just saying that's the point *I* got to with 3.x prior to leaving it behind.