Quote from: Bill;683627All kidding aside, I think 4E dnd could make a good supers game. They almost did that with 4E Gamma World. In fact, the 4E gamma world IS a supers game, just not with capes.

I'd disagree. There is a lot more to the superhero genre than superpowers.

Superhero: With great power comes great responsibility.
GW Character: With great power comes bigger loot!

As for the OP, if it were down to just about personal preference, ICONS would top the list for me. It just hits all the right notes. But even I appreciate it does not have the influence and stature in the hobby as a whole as Champions or Mutant & Masterminds

Quote from: Soylent Green;683715I'd disagree. There is a lot more to the superhero genre than superpowers.

Superhero: With great power comes great responsibility ...

If you mean that there's a lot more to the "Golden Age," four-color era than superpowers, I'd agree with you.

But you can't be ignorant of the fact that from Marvel 1960s to Dark Knight and on forward, the landscape got a lot broader.

Given that supers games still aren't as big as fantasy, I'm not sure there's a point in listing the 10 "best" when there's not much more than 10 to begin with.  

JG

Quote from: Ravenswing;683742If you mean that there's a lot more to the "Golden Age," four-color era than superpowers, I'd agree with you.

But you can't be ignorant of the fact that from Marvel 1960s to Dark Knight and on forward, the landscape got a lot broader.

Okay, Deadpool could be a Gamma World character as an insane mutant mercenary. And I'm sure there a bunch of other edge characters that fit the profile because as you say it is a broad genre. But still, these are not the most representative superheroes. The majority of superheroes are out trying to make things better, even when they go about it the wrong way or end just making things worse.
 
Or don't you don't think that the Dark Knight isn't in his own twisted way more of  "with great power comes great responsibility" character than a "kill monsters and take their stuff" character?

The "take their stuff" real serves to underline the prfoundly different attitude of GW and a superhero game. Superheroes don't loot corpse as a rule. In 4eGW loot is so central they even collectable cards out for them.

Quote from: James Gillen;683754Given that supers games still aren't as big as fantasy, I'm not sure there's a point in listing the 10 "best" when there's not much more than 10 to begin with.  

JG

That's true. It's inexplicable, unjustifiable, and tragic, but it's true.

Stupid elves.

Quote from: James Gillen;683754Given that supers games still aren't as big as fantasy, I'm not sure there's a point in listing the 10 "best" when there's not much more than 10 to begin with.  

JG

I can list over 60...Might be able to manage 100.

That list reads like someone has a good working knowledge of using Wikipedia.

I know, Superhero 2044 doesn't even get a mention? Wank.


But online top ten lists are always wank. They are utterly meaningless, the only service they might provide is alerting someone to a game/film/book they hadn't heard of, but "top ten" generally means "10 everyone talks about most frequently".

Quote from: Lynn;683768That list reads like someone has a good working knowledge of using Wikipedia.

I'd say Underground was enough of a wild card inclusion to suggest the author actually does know the games they're writing about.

Quote from: Exploderwizard;683465Hmmm  D&D 4E didn't make the list. Even in its own niche it got snubbed.

Quote from: jeff37923;683556It really was universally loathed. RIP.

Really, guys? Really?

Quote from: Bill;683627All kidding aside, I think 4E dnd could make a good supers game. They almost did that with 4E Gamma World. In fact, the 4E gamma world IS a supers game, just not with capes.

It would, actually. I very nearly used it for an X-Men campaign at one point, but it fell through due to school commitments.

Quote from: LibraryLass;683871Really, guys? Really?

4e was a better Superhero emulator (both mechanically and genre) than it ever was at D&D...

Quote from: LibraryLass;683871It would, actually. I very nearly used it for an X-Men campaign at one point, but it fell through due to school commitments.

My point exactly...

Quote from: Celestial;683443Here's the shorthand:

10. Villains & Vigilantes

9. Aberrant

8. Wild Talents

7. Marvel Heroic Roleplaying

6. Mutants & Masterminds

5. Champions

4. DC Heroes

3. Underground

2. Necessary Evil

1. Marvel Super Heroes

Since neither BASH! nor ICONS made the list, I call shenanigans.

I'm sorry, but Marvel Heroic has no place on this list... Cortex in all its forms is the biggest pile of donkey shit to come out of the gaming industry... And it lasted, what? a year?! Hell, both Marvel Universe and Marvel Saga lasted longer! And both were better games than fucking Marvel Heroic...


God... I fucking hate Cortex....

Quote from: YourSwordisMine;6838924e was a better Superhero emulator (both mechanically and genre) than it ever was at D&D...

My point exactly...

It's (arguably) better-suited for it, but that's not what it is.

Hey, I'm just hoping Tim's "Heart & Souls 2E" makes the list, next year!

I have played Basic, 1E, 2E, 3X, and 4E. Extensively. I am old

All are dnd, and I play them the same way.

My favorite is 1E, perhaps due to being the 'first' rpg I played.

3X has started to make me ill.

But I have miraculously played and run 4E dnd games that feel like dnd.

I must have superpowers!