Jesus, who fucking cares?

It is an ex-edition. 'E's dead. He's off the twig.
HELLO FOURTH! TESTING! TESTING! TESTING! This is your nine o'clock wake up call!

Quote from: JonWake;683243Jesus, who fucking cares?

It is an ex-edition. 'E's dead. He's off the twig.
HELLO FOURTH! TESTING! TESTING! TESTING! This is your nine o'clock wake up call!

I've played it three times this week with three different groups. Seems alive enough to me.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;683230I provided the links to where they could be found.

No, you didn't.  We're still waiting for that.  You said it was FULL of that shit, and multiple people have taken a stab at this and failed to find what you claim is ALL OVER that thread.  Fuck, you won't even vaguely hint at a section of pages where it can be found...you won't even hint that this supposed information is in the second half of the thread or something like that.

So yeah, we called bullshit, and you blinked.  That's where things stand right now.  Ball is in your court.  YOU made the claim, and you're the one punting now.  Sure looks like you were lying, and hoped nobody would call you one it, and now that multiple people have called you on it you're just scurrying away from it and trying to find a way to plausibly punt out of your claims.

And by the way, I never said anyone was a liar - I said if they made that claim, they're wrong.  As in, I disagree with their opinion.  But, it looks right now like nobody made that claim.

Quote from: soviet;683238So, to be clear:
You state a daft position about a game you haven't read

I'm going to stop you right there because that wasn't my position, and I've said this already several times.  The rest isn't even worth reading if you can't even get the first part right.

QuoteCome on dude

Indeed.

Quote from: thecasualoblivion;683245I've played it three times this week with three different groups. Seems alive enough to me.

La dee fucking da.

When are they coming out with a new book?

Quote from: Mistwell;683246No, you didn't.  We're still waiting for that.  You said it was FULL of that shit, and multiple people have taken a stab at this and failed to find what you claim is ALL OVER that thread.

So yeah, we called bullshit, and you blinked.  That's where things stand right now.  Ball is in your court.  YOU made the claim, and you're the one punting now.

man what?

"multiple people"?  Only you and soviet, and you guys haven't even read the threads.  In fact, you've said you refuse to unless I reread them all and hand pick out the quotes for you.

Sorry dude.  You need to seriously get over yourself.  Hell, you even have TCO in this thread implying it.

You're reaching pretty far dude.  Good luck with that.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;683249man what?

"multiple people"?  Only you and soviet, and you guys haven't even read the threads.  In fact, you've said you refuse to unless I reread them all and hand pick out the quotes for you.

Sorry dude.  You need to seriously get over yourself.  Hell, you even have TCO in this thread implying it.

You're reaching pretty far dude.  Good luck with that.

Implied how? I think your own prejudices are at play here.

Quote from: JonWake;683248La dee fucking da.

When are they coming out with a new book?

Probably when 5E flops with the 4E community followed by 4E fans clamoring 3rd party companies to "Pathfinder"-ize 4E.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;683249man what?

"multiple people"?  Only you and soviet, and you guys haven't even read the threads. In fact, you've said you refuse to unless I reread them all and hand pick out the quotes for you.

So, now we can all see you lying.  No way to wiggle out of it.  I said I read the first page of both threads you posted, and Soviet actually quoted you back stuff from the thread, and now you're just completely fabricating a lie about how we won't read it.

That', or you're a fucking idiot.  Yeah, lets go with that.  So, I will walk you through this: You made a claim about a 23 page thread.  Someone called you on it after they did a search on it and you said whoops, your bad, you meant a different 17 page thread.  So then searches were done on that thread and it didn't turn up so we called you on that, and you said you're not going to read through and find the thing YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, and we have to dig through it to find it.  So then I read some, and Soviet read more, and you were quoted back some from it, and you said "no, keep reading", and again said you would not read it yourself to find THE THING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT NOBODY HAS FOUND YET BUT THAT IS SUPPOSEDLY ALL OVER THAT THREAD...EXCEPT APPARENTLY ISN'T.

So I will ask again, can you at least limit it down to a section of that big long thread? Is it in the last quarter of the thread? One of the middle quarters? The first quarter? You said it was all over...what did you mean by that, three messages, or literally pick a page and it will be right there?  Or maybe some wording we can search for? At least give us some hint on this grand easter egg game you're playing.

Quote from: Mistwell;683254So, now we can all see you lying.  No way to wiggle out of it.  I said I read the first page of both threads you posted, and Soviet actually quoted you back stuff from the thread, and now you're just completely fabricating a lie about how we won't read it.

That', or you're a fucking idiot.  Yeah, lets go with that.  So, I will walk you through this: You made a claim about a 23 page thread.  Someone called you on it and you said whoops, your bad, you meant a different 17 page thread.  So then we called you on that, and you said you're not going to read through and find the thing YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, and we have to dig through it to find it.  So then I read some, and Soviet read more, and you were quoted back some from it, and you said "no, keep reading", and again said you would not read it yourself to find THE THING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT NOBODY HAS FOUND YET BUT THAT IS SUPPOSEDLY ALL OVER THAT THREAD...EXCEPT APPARENTLY ISN'T.

So I will ask again, can you at least limit it down to a section of that big long thread? Is it in the last quarter of the thread? One of the middle quarters? The first quarter? You said it was all over...what did you mean by that, three messages, or literally pick a page and it will be right there?  At least give us some hint on this grand easter egg game you're playing.

I have been all over the edition war threads in that forum, following them in real-time, and I have no idea what he's talking about.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;683169Sorry, the actual "replicate" argument was this thread.  But the original thread I linked has similar arguments

OK I went back and did a complete page-by-page search.  The guy making the replicate argument IS CasualOblivion in that thread, AND HE DOESN'T SAY WHAT YOU CLAIM HE SAID.  So, you're either mistaken, or lying.  And, I think it's funny you're claiming Casual Oblivion is your "self-proclaimed expert", which is a claim NOBODY in that thread makes by the way.

So then I went PAGE BY PAGE through the whole fucking thread (damn, it was dumb).  And yup, it was CO, and he doesn't say what you claim was said.  In fact, he's mostly saying the opposite - he says certain fans want that, and they don't get it, and he wouldn't want that either.  Nobody - not one single person in that entire thread - says 4e fighters can replicate spells or anything even vaguely close to that kind of argument.

So which is it, lying, or mistaken?

Quote from: Sacrosanct;683247I'm going to stop you right there because that wasn't my position, and I've said this already several times.  The rest isn't even worth reading if you can't even get the first part right.

So for future reference, none of the things you say are your opinions, they are just the things that the internet experts have said and that you are blindly repeating,  but sorry you're not able to provide links or explanations and it's not your fault if the experts when they are identified say something different from claimed. Really?

I've seen you post sense before, maybe you need to rethink this approach you're taking

Quote from: thecasualoblivion;683255I have been all over the edition war threads in that forum, following them in real-time, and I have no idea what he's talking about.

I'll bet you have.  How is it that you always seem to turn up in a forum when there's an edition war?

Quote from: thecasualoblivion;683250Implied how? I think your own prejudices are at play here.

That's pretty funny.  I suppose that's why when you said that you liked how 4e had fighters who could replicate mage and cleric spells with their own powers, that's why you later had to explain it using your "it's because... imitate things like Vampire Hunter D, Ninja Scroll, and our favorite characters from Final Fantasy 6/7, Chrono Trigger, and StarOcean.."

Quote from: Mistwell;683254So, now we can all see you lying.  No way to wiggle out of it.  I said I read the first page of both threads you posted, and Soviet actually quoted you back stuff from the thread, and now you're just completely fabricating a lie about how we won't read it.

That', or you're a fucking idiot.  Yeah, lets go with that.  So, I will walk you through this: You made a claim about a 23 page thread.  Someone called you on it after they did a search on it and you said whoops, your bad, you meant a different 17 page thread.  So then searches were done on that thread and it didn't turn up so we called you on that, and you said you're not going to read through and find the thing YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, and we have to dig through it to find it.  So then I read some, and Soviet read more, and you were quoted back some from it, and you said "no, keep reading", and again said you would not read it yourself to find THE THING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT NOBODY HAS FOUND YET BUT THAT IS SUPPOSEDLY ALL OVER THAT THREAD...EXCEPT APPARENTLY ISN'T.

So I will ask again, can you at least limit it down to a section of that big long thread? Is it in the last quarter of the thread? One of the middle quarters? The first quarter? You said it was all over...what did you mean by that, three messages, or literally pick a page and it will be right there?  Or maybe some wording we can search for? At least give us some hint on this grand easter egg game you're playing.

No wonder lawyers have the rep they do.  You have to be one of the most disingenuous dirtbags I've ever seen.  Real testament to your profession.  Hell, real testament to your species.

This is what I said on page 6:

" 3e still had mundane classes doing relatively mundane abilities not having fighters being able to replicate spells (a common point that 4e fans like to bring up when talking about how Next sucks because it doesn't allow fighters to replicate spells.)"

Which means the same thing as TCO said, and Lokaire, and Blacksheepcannibel, and a few others all reaffirmed in both of those threads I linked.  Lokaire was directly asked what 4e style means, and he gave an explanation.  An explanation where the mundane classes were able to replicate the spells and/or powers of caster classes.

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Quote from: thecasualoblivion;683255I have been all over the edition war threads in that forum, following them in real-time, and I have no idea what he's talking about.

Probably because you're one of the worst representations of a 4e fan, and constantly either change your story or lie about it.  Christ dude, you had a lengthy conversation trying to justify your position that fighters need powers to replicate spells by your repeated references to Vampire Hunter D.


Yeah, you two certainly are a piece of work.

Quote from: soviet;683259So for future reference, none of the things you say are your opinions, they are just the things that the internet experts have said and that you are blindly repeating,  but sorry you're not able to provide links or explanations and it's not your fault if the experts when they are identified say something different from claimed. Really?

I've seen you post sense before, maybe you need to rethink this approach you're taking

My very first post was, " 3e still had mundane classes doing relatively mundane abilities not having fighters being able to replicate spells (a common point that 4e fans like to bring up when talking about how Next sucks because it doesn't allow fighters to replicate spells.)"

What part don't you get?  What part of that makes you think that it's my position?  The very first post I say it's a claim made by some 4e fans.   I'm starting to agree with Black Veluma.  You are doing nothing but trying to troll the forums.  Because no one can be this stupid.