I'm turned off by having this shit constantly pushed at me online.

Fuck Dungeon World and all the rest of the -Worlds.

Quote from: jeff37923;683020I'm turned off by having this shit constantly pushed at me online.

Fuck Dungeon World and all the rest of the -Worlds.

Ditto.

It reminds me of the massive tBP adventure/wushu/exalted circlejerks.

Quote from: jeff37923;683020Fuck Dungeon World and all the rest of the -Worlds.

Noooh! Not Gamma World! What did the Podogs ever do to deserve this!

It is a little off subject, but it would be cool (if it isn't already being done) for someone to launch an Old School RPG awards and tie it in with the ennies like the indie rpg awards.

Quote from: jeff37923;683020I'm turned off by having this shit constantly pushed at me online.

Fuck Dungeon World and all the rest of the -Worlds.

There does seem to be a push on by the fanbase, I've noticed this with other games previously as well. There are a few weeks of publicising which may or may not be astroturfing followed by the next darling which comes along doing the same thing.

I dunno, it has some interesting ideas but for me the way fans are making free with other peoples' intellectual property and publishing conversions is a black mark against it, like the way they are targeting Shadowrun in an attempt to piggyback for free on the publicity of the latest release. I mean what, are they going to do the same thing every time a big release comes out? Do the hard work and make up your own compelling settings ya lazy bastards. And pay for your own marketing like everyone else.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;683027It is a little off subject, but it would be cool (if it isn't already being done) for someone to launch an Old School RPG awards and tie it in with the ennies like the indie rpg awards.

That would be cool actually yeah. 'Megadungeon of the year' and so on.

Quote from: jeff37923;683020Fuck Dungeon World and all the rest of the -Worlds.

I want to point out that Other Worlds is nothing to do with AW and DW and all the other sham RPGs looking like storygames that look like RPGs pieces of crap.

Other Worlds is its own kind of RPG looking like a storygame that looks like an RPG piece of crap.

Quote from: soviet;683034I want to point out that Other Worlds is nothing to do with AW and DW and all the other sham RPGs looking like storygames that look like RPGs pieces of crap.

Other Worlds is its own kind of RPG looking like a storygame that looks like an RPG piece of crap.

So what?

If it gets pushed at me, I just push it away.

Quote from: soviet;683031That would be cool actually yeah. 'Megadungeon of the year' and so on.

I think it would be nice because there are some great old school games out there (or just games that are more traditional) that have a harder time getting recognition at some of these awards (nothing against ennies or indie rpg awards). I think there is a big enough base of people intested in these sort of rpgs that an old school rpg awards would have legs.

Quote from: Haffrung;683006But let's not pretend Dungeon World is a traditional RPG. It cheerfully wades into shared narrative waters that a lot of gamers simply don't want any part of.

I'm sure you'll enjoy it, it's a good game, but don't change the subject. If you're going to criticize Dungeon World, criticise it for something it actually does, not just complaining that is has terminology and then making something up about it.

Quote from: One Horse Town;683011So much for being interested in the game/style of game, rather than where discussion of it goes, hmm.

If we could keep the pointless sneering to one thread, that would be great, too!

I'm having a lot of fun GM'ing it. I'm considering getting a copy of Amber for the GM'ing info, as it's also diceless and rules-light.

Quote from: The Traveller;683030I dunno, it has some interesting ideas but for me the way fans are making free with other peoples' intellectual property and publishing conversions is a black mark against it, like the way they are targeting Shadowrun in an attempt to piggyback for free on the publicity of the latest release. I mean what, are they going to do the same thing every time a big release comes out? Do the hard work and make up your own compelling settings ya lazy bastards. And pay for your own marketing like everyone else.

Like * World is the only system that this ever happens with. As long as there's been more than two systems, people have been porting settings across.

And define "published" - nobody's making any money off the SR hack, for example, it's just a thing that exists. Or would you rather publishers were more draconian in cracking down on uses of their IP?

Quote from: Ladybird;683047Like * World is the only system that this ever happens with. As long as there's been more than two systems, people have been porting settings across.

It's the first time I've seen blatant attempts to piggyback on major new releases by publishers through conversions by 'fans'. Can you point me to any other examples, like around the same time as a milestone publication?

Quote from: Ladybird;683047And define "published" - nobody's making any money off the SR hack, for example, it's just a thing that exists. Or would you rather publishers were more draconian in cracking down on uses of their IP?

The current price for DW stands at ten dollars for the PDF, without which you can't use the conversion. The problem however is the same as with most IP infringements, trying to get a piece of someone else's marketing effort and expense without spending anything yourself. You do understand that much if not most of the cost of making a successful product is often marketing, right?

Edit: oh and yes, I would be absolutely delighted if Catalyst sued seven shades of shit out of those nimrods.

Quote from: noisms;682897People who suggest similarity between Dungeon World and "old school games" are falsely conflating genre furniture (dungeon, character classes, searching for gold, etc.) with play style.

Prove it.

Quote from: The Traveller;683052Edit: oh and yes, I would be absolutely delighted if Catalyst sued seven shades of shit out of those nimrods.

Suing forum posters who are probably anonymous and probably penniless would seem like an expensive and pointless way to get a lot of bad PR.

Suing the probably penniless publishers of another RPG for a thread their fans created (and that has caused no measurable damages) would be the same.

Quote from: soviet;683066Suing forum posters who are probably anonymous and probably penniless would seem like an expensive and pointless way to get a lot of bad PR.

Suing the probably penniless publishers of another RPG for a thread their fans created (and that has caused no measurable damages) would be the same.

If they're trying to become less penniless by riding on the coat tails of someone else's hard work and expense, then hell yes sue them. That's assuming you have access to the financial accounts of either the fans or the publishers of DW and can speak with any authority on the matter, which you don't.

Invoking the legal system has gotten something of a bad name due to abuses followed through by large companies, but I strongly believe in people protecting their work if that's what they want to do. If that means they're getting a bad name it's only among people who weren't going to be customers in the first place. You know what Catalyst were calling it? "The Year of Shadowrun". So along come these backalley hawkers and try to take advantage of that. It's bad business, at best unethical, at worst illegal.

We're talking about a dungeon crawling system being applied to a futuristic cyberpunk setting, a worse fit you'd be hard pressed to find - the only conclusion is opportunism.

I mean it when I say I'd have a great deal more respect for them if they put in the time and effort to create and market their own setting rather than latching on to people who really have put in the effort. And I started out ambivalent or even favourable towards the system as my posting record here will show.

Quote from: Ladybird;683047If we could keep the pointless sneering to one thread, that would be great, too!

If someone's going to try to get on their high-horse about so-called crusades, i think it's worth pointing out that that person is also involved in one - just from the opposite perspective.

I prefer to answer sneers with sneers.