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The playtest is dead... long live the playtest!

Started by The_Rooster, August 15, 2013, 08:24:41 PM

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Sacrosanct

#75
August 19, 2013, 12:26:52 PM
Quote from: Raven;682995In fact it sounds a lot like these guys.

Oh, it sounds exactly like 1989
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

soviet

#76
August 19, 2013, 12:32:22 PM
Quote from: One Horse Town;682942What some people seem unable to comprehend is that maybe their tastes are in the minority as far as the playtest feedback goes.

Seems that 20 or 30 people who scream the loudest aren't representative of the hobby as a whole - who would've thought it? ;)

Man, that should be this site's unofficial motto.
Buy Other Worlds, it\'s a multi-genre storygame excuse for an RPG designed to wreck the hobby from within

soviet

#77
August 19, 2013, 12:36:09 PM
Quote from: Bobloblah;682951That's really pretty disingenuous. 4E Fighters have abilities that are mechanically indistinguishable from those of Wizards. Their abilities are also impossible to explain, in game, through mundane means. Sure, they're not called "Spells," but what's the difference?

So you would say then that in 3e a lot of spells are mechanically indistinguishable from traps, yes? And that skill use is mechanically indistinguishable from combat? You roll a d20 against a DC and some shit happens, what's the difference?

Also the fighter's abilities are not impossible to explain. Even the more abstract ones like Come and Get It just require a bit of imagination. This is a hobby about imagination, after all.
Buy Other Worlds, it\'s a multi-genre storygame excuse for an RPG designed to wreck the hobby from within

Sacrosanct

#78
August 19, 2013, 12:40:35 PM
Some of the loudest 4vengers themselves were the ones who said that fighter abilities replicate spells.  That isn't a phrase us "haters" came up with.  Don't try to convince us we're wrong; it's not our phrase.  Talk to people like TCO.  He's the one who said it.
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

soviet

#79
August 19, 2013, 12:48:00 PM
Well no, if someone repeats an argument here that's based on bullshit, they should expect to have to defend it here as well. 'Someone who likes 4e said it another site' is kind of a weak explanation TBH
Buy Other Worlds, it\'s a multi-genre storygame excuse for an RPG designed to wreck the hobby from within

Sacrosanct

#80
August 19, 2013, 12:53:23 PM
Quote from: soviet;683010Well no, if someone repeats an argument here that's based on bullshit, they should expect to have to defend it here as well. 'Someone who likes 4e said it another site' is kind of a weak explanation TBH

Sorry, gotta throw the bullshit flag here.

I don't play 4e.  So when the biggest fans of 4e say something about 4e, I should be able to take their word for it, no?  They are the biggest 4e fans, so they should know more about the game than anyone else.

The alternative is that these biggest fans of 4e must be liars, willing to make up things that aren't true just to bash another edition.


So which one soviet?
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

Piestrio

#81
August 19, 2013, 12:57:50 PM
Why are we still talking about a shitty game that was nearly universally hated by D&D players and killed by the publisher after a desperate scramble to get older players back barely a couple years into its run?

It's dead guys.

It's irrelevant.

Dustbin of history and all that.
Disclaimer: I attach no moral weight to the way you choose to pretend to be an elf.

Currently running: The Great Pendragon Campaign & DC Adventures - Timberline
Currently Playing: AD&D

soviet

#82
August 19, 2013, 01:06:27 PM
Quote from: Piestrio;683016Why are we still talking about a shitty game that was nearly universally hated by D&D players and killed by the publisher after a desperate scramble to get older players back barely a couple years into its run?

It's dead guys.

It's irrelevant.

Dustbin of history and all that.

I agree, 3e was terrible.
Buy Other Worlds, it\'s a multi-genre storygame excuse for an RPG designed to wreck the hobby from within

jeff37923

#83
August 19, 2013, 01:07:04 PM
Quote from: Piestrio;683016Why are we still talking about a shitty game that was nearly universally hated by D&D players and killed by the publisher after a desperate scramble to get older players back barely a couple years into its run?

It's dead guys.

It's irrelevant.

Dustbin of history and all that.

Agreed.

Shut the fuck up on this one already, 4rons.
"Meh."

soviet

#84
August 19, 2013, 01:11:59 PM
Quote from: Sacrosanct;683013Sorry, gotta throw the bullshit flag here.

I don't play 4e.  So when the biggest fans of 4e say something about 4e, I should be able to take their word for it, no?  They are the biggest 4e fans, so they should know more about the game than anyone else.

The alternative is that these biggest fans of 4e must be liars, willing to make up things that aren't true just to bash another edition.


So which one soviet?

That's crazy. There are idiots on all sides of the spectrum, I'm not going to sit here and defend every batshit thing that gets said by a pro-4e person or whatever. I suggest that taking up other people's points and repeating them in other company without any knowledge of how correct they may be, is not a great idea whatever the topic/edition. People should be able to defend/explain the things they say if they want to be taken seriously.
Buy Other Worlds, it\'s a multi-genre storygame excuse for an RPG designed to wreck the hobby from within

soviet

#85
August 19, 2013, 01:14:56 PM
Quote from: jeff37923;683024Agreed.

Shut the fuck up on this one already, 4rons.

What they should do, is run a big kickstarter to rip off the fanbase for a lot of money and then release a giant book full of unplaytested and unedited stream of consciousness rules blurb 'because all rules are optional anyway'.

You'd invest in that wouldn't you Jeff?
Buy Other Worlds, it\'s a multi-genre storygame excuse for an RPG designed to wreck the hobby from within

jeff37923

#86
August 19, 2013, 01:19:32 PM
Quote from: soviet;683028What they should do, is run a big kickstarter to rip off the fanbase for a lot of money and then release a giant book full of unplaytested and unedited stream of consciousness rules blurb 'because all rules are optional anyway'.

You'd invest in that wouldn't you Jeff?

Awww, you're so cute when your nerve gets struck.

Maybe if you played games more and went on forum crusades less, you wouldn't have such a thin skin.
"Meh."

Piestrio

#87
August 19, 2013, 01:19:51 PM
Quote from: soviet;683023I agree, 3e was terrible.

Well. I'd agree, but that particular barb doesn't quite fit 3e.
Disclaimer: I attach no moral weight to the way you choose to pretend to be an elf.

Currently running: The Great Pendragon Campaign & DC Adventures - Timberline
Currently Playing: AD&D

soviet

#88
August 19, 2013, 01:20:52 PM
Quote from: jeff37923;683032Awww, you're so cute when your nerve gets struck.

Maybe if you played games more and went on forum crusades less, you wouldn't have such a thin skin.

kettle
Buy Other Worlds, it\'s a multi-genre storygame excuse for an RPG designed to wreck the hobby from within

Bill

#89
August 19, 2013, 01:22:23 PM
I enjoy 1E and 4E.

Can't find anyone that will play 1E, flooded with people that will play 3X and 4E.


Makes me sad :)
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