Quote from: Haffrung;682671GeCon Poison'd, but you don't get the whole story

I've been in those kinds of games (Not the neck-rapey games, the ones that you can never explain to other people because they weren't there and just won't understand, ever).

They're the best sort of games, but there's no fucking way I could go through that more than a couple times a year.

Quote from: Ladybird;682696I've been in those kinds of games (Not the neck-rapey games, the ones that you can never explain to other people because they weren't there and just won't understand, ever).

They're the best sort of games, but there's no fucking way I could go through that more than a couple times a year.

I call those games "week long binge".

Quote from: Haffrung;682671GeCon Poison'd, but you don't get the whole story

RPGnet poster: "It's okay, because Vince Baker did it."

Quote from: Benoist;682738RPGnet poster: "It's okay, because Vince Baker did it."

Now translated onto the rpgsite as "it's never okay, if Vincent Baker's involved."

I, honestly, hope that James Raggi sends pundit a copy of The Seclusium of Orphone of the Three Visions for review. I'm genuinely interested in hearing what he thinks, and whether he deems it an rpg-book at all. And he is, when it all boils down, a good and thorough reviewer.

Here is a link:

One day I'll figure out how to put it in the word: Here but until I'm that savvy...

http://www.ennie-awards.com/blog/announcing-the-2013-ennie-awards-winners/

Quote from: DKChannelBoredom;682741Now translated onto the rpgsite as "it's never okay, if Vincent Baker's involved."

I, honestly, hope that James Raggi sends pundit a copy of The Seclusium of Orphone of the Three Visions for review. I'm genuinely interested in hearing what he thinks, and whether he deems it an rpg-book at all. And he is, when it all boils down, a good and thorough reviewer.

WTF is that ?

Tell us more.

Quote from: Rincewind1;682566It's a long story, but in short - the example of play Baker provided from a con game was distasteful to say the very least, including the infamous "raping of a cabin boy in a neck stump".

Quote from: Haffrung;682671GeCon Poison'd, but you don't get the whole story

The hate-on for DungeonWorld is :rolleyes:.  Deal with it, nerds.  The game is fast and fun, and the gameplay is very much in a style of old school gaming that I hear lauded all the time (rulings, not rules!).  You could port in the random tables and a d20 and you'd be set.

Quote from: Archangel Fascist;682827The hate-on for DungeonWorld is :rolleyes:.  Deal with it, nerds.  The game is fast and fun, and the gameplay is very much in a style of old school gaming that I hear lauded all the time (rulings, not rules!).  You could port in the random tables and a d20 and you'd be set.

And a middle finger to you to, lad.

Though Ennies always were delivering customers to dentists and proctologists, haven't they?

Quote from: Archangel Fascist;682827The hate-on for DungeonWorld is :rolleyes:.  Deal with it, nerds.  The game is fast and fun, and the gameplay is very much in a style of old school gaming that I hear lauded all the time (rulings, not rules!).  You could port in the random tables and a d20 and you'd be set.

No.

Dungeon World IS a very well designed game, and there is no question it is great fun for some gamers. Where people like me ARE going to push back is when guys like you start talking about how it's "really old school" and "there's fundamentally no difference with old games". Fuck that noise. This is just not true at all, and is a position either born out of sheer ignorance, or willful misrepresentation.

THIS is what people like me object to. Please stop pretending there's fundamentally no difference.

Quote from: Benoist;682829No.

Dungeon World IS a very well designed game, and there is no question it is great fun for some gamers. Where people like me ARE going to push back is when guys like you start talking about how it's "really old school" and "there's fundamentally no difference with old games". Fuck that noise. This is just not true at all, and is a position either born out of sheer ignorance, or willful misrepresentation.

THIS is what people like me object to. Please stop pretending there's fundamentally no difference.

It is very different. I have initiative in my D&D Rules Cyclopedia games. I don't have to pick names from a preset list in Labyrinth Lord, or limit my group to one of each class in AD&D. The differences go on from there.

I'm sure folks have a lot of fun with Dungeon World; there's certainly enough of them cheering it on via message board and social media. But frankly, I'm a little tired of it being recommended as a cure-all, and as some sort of an old-school game. Even the game author has very clearly said it is not, and a glance at the SRD will tell much the same.

When folks keep bringing it up in every instance and attempting to pretend it is the be-all and end-all, and something it is not, it is natural there is going to be some pushback.

Quote from: Archangel Fascist;682827The hate-on for DungeonWorld is :rolleyes:.  Deal with it, nerds.  The game is fast and fun, and the gameplay is very much in a style of old school gaming that I hear lauded all the time (rulings, not rules!).  You could port in the random tables and a d20 and you'd be set.

I don't have to deal with shit. So take your condescending bullshit and stick it right in your goddamn ear. Not everyone enjoys the same games, and because someone or something wins an online popularity contest doesn't mean we have to instantly love it or give it another chance. Bullshit like you are slinging is half the reason folks who don't like this game or are borderline on it won't touch it with a 10-foot pole. It's the same shit that happened with Wushu on RPGnet: a bunch of fanatical fanboys are going to prescribe it for everything from crappy GMs to mecha/space opera, and everyone is going to get tired of hearing about it in every thread, as it is thrown in as a cure for cancer and glaucoma. It's already happening.

So play what you want, talk about what you want, but don't piss down our back and tell us it's raining.

EDIT: That might be a little harsh, but goddamn, I sick to death of hearing about this game.

I never said it was an old-school game; I said it's played in the same style as old school games.

Quote from: Archangel Fascist;682835I never said it was an old-school game; I said it's played in the same style as old school games.

Man, not in my experience.

Quote from: Archangel Fascist;682835I never said it was an old-school game; I said it's played in the same style as old school games.

No. Take your word-fencing bullshit and shove it.

Quote from: Benoist;682841No. Take your word-fencing bullshit and shove it.

:rolleyes:

Quote from: Zachary The First;682836Man, not in my experience.

Care to elaborate?