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ConTessa: Women in Gaming Done Right

Started by RPGPundit, June 05, 2013, 11:49:52 AM

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LibraryLass

#15
June 05, 2013, 04:07:02 PM
Huh, cool. I might see about running something for them. No clue what.
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#16
June 05, 2013, 04:31:29 PM
Quote from: Brad;660205Yeah, I read it. But, again, if women want to run games, run games. Women aren't oppressed in gaming; from my experience, most girls just never found the notion of playing rpgs (or wargames, whatever) that much fun.

Again, I'm pretty sure the women participating in ConTessa do not feel oppressed, and do find the notion of playing RPGs a lot of fun.
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June 05, 2013, 04:40:09 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit;660260Again, I'm pretty sure the women participating in ConTessa do not feel oppressed, and do find the notion of playing RPGs a lot of fun.

The fact that they're promoting it as "run by women" means it's more political than they'd like to admit and implies they feel somewhat marginalized. It's ENTIRELY possible you are correct and none of them feel that way whatsoever, but sorry, you can't identify yourself as a minority group then wonder when someone questions your motives.
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Sacrosanct

#18
June 05, 2013, 04:45:22 PM
Quote from: Brad;660265The fact that they're promoting it as "run by women" means it's more political than they'd like to admit and implies they feel somewhat marginalized. It's ENTIRELY possible you are correct and none of them feel that way whatsoever, but sorry, you can't identify yourself as a minority group then wonder when someone questions your motives.

Or maybe, their message is, "hey, not all women are social justice warriors.  Most of us just like to game and have fun."

It seems like you're being very uncharitable towards their motivations.  Which ironically would reinforce the idea that social justice warriors are necessary.
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The Traveller

#19
June 05, 2013, 04:46:02 PM
Quote from: LibraryLass;660249Huh, cool. I might see about running something for them. No clue what.
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Quote from: Brad;660265The fact that they're promoting it as "run by women" means it's more political than they'd like to admit and implies they feel somewhat marginalized. It's ENTIRELY possible you are correct and none of them feel that way whatsoever, but sorry, you can't identify yourself as a minority group then wonder when someone questions your motives.
Again that's not what they are about. Read: http://www.contessaonline.com/about-contessa/
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#20
June 05, 2013, 04:48:39 PM
Quote from: The Traveller;660270Again that's not what they are about. Read: http://www.contessaonline.com/about-contessa/

"The Free Online Gaming Convention By Women For Everyone"

I'll say it again: why feel the need to point out the "women" part?
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The Traveller

#21
June 05, 2013, 04:50:07 PM
Quote from: Brad;660275"The Free Online Gaming Convention By Women For Everyone"

I'll say it again: why feel the need to point out the "women" part?
Or you could go one step further and read the whole message rather than just quoting one sentence. It's very much taking a stand against the rage brigade, and to be honest I'm starting to wonder hopefully if they have a donation point.
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#22
June 05, 2013, 04:51:40 PM
Quote from: The Traveller;660276Or you could go one step further and read the whole message rather than just quoting one sentence.

No way. I am simply going to react to the tagline and post furiously on internet messageboards. I don't have time to read anything.
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The Traveller

#23
June 05, 2013, 04:53:20 PM
Quote from: Brad;660277No way. I am simply going to react to the tagline and post furiously on internet messageboards. I don't have time to read anything.
Well since everyone knows the internet is fuelled by pure unrefined anger, keep up the good work.
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SineNomine

#24
June 05, 2013, 04:59:58 PM
I'm donating PDFs to this. I absolutely loathe the unrelenting politicization of every aspect of art that some people want to bring about, and I heartily support efforts to just play the damn games.
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#25
June 05, 2013, 06:51:17 PM
I'm not a publisher, so I have no PDFs to contribute, but I'm going to donate some RPGNow gift cards for prizes.

I agree wholeheartedly with the premise of this convention, and I really hope the organizers are able to keep the haters and sociopaths from ruining it. If I never have to see a social justice more-outraged-than-thou flame war again, it'll be too soon.

Yeah. Let's just play some damn games, hmm?

Drohem

#26
June 05, 2013, 07:13:43 PM
Quote from: SineNomine;660279I absolutely loathe the unrelenting politicization of every aspect of art that some people want to bring about, and I heartily support efforts to just play the damn games.

Indeed.  Here, here! :)

Rincewind1

#27
June 05, 2013, 08:07:01 PM
Well, it's a convention, so good on them. I dislike that "online convention" format, but more conventions is always good, I suppose!

The only thing I disliked was actually that "apolitical" part, right on the top in first statement I was to read, because it just reeks of "I am not a crook" - if it's apolitical, why do you even point out the lack of politics in the literal first place?

Then again, I can understand it, because the political hounds in RPGs would like to hijack such an event. And if those "uncle toms" accusations are real, it explains things a bit more.

All in all, as far as I'm concerned,
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The Traveller

#28
June 05, 2013, 08:13:22 PM
Quote from: Rincewind1;660335if it's apolitical, why do you even point out the lack of politics in the literal first place?
To thumb their noses at the politicisers.

Quote from: Rincewind1;660335Then again, I can understand it, because the political hounds in RPGs would like to hijack such an event.
Oh, they'll try anyway. Maybe even succeed. But that doesn't matter, the mere existence of such an event makes a mockery of their richly mockable pogroms.

Ah the world is a bit brighter today.
"These children are playing with dark and dangerous powers!"
"What else are you meant to do with dark and dangerous powers?"
A concise overview of GNS theory.
Quote from: that muppet vince baker on RPGsIf you care about character arcs or any, any, any lit 101 stuff, I\'d choose a different game.

Rincewind1

#29
June 05, 2013, 08:15:58 PM
Quote from: The Traveller;660338Ah the world is a bit brighter today.

My cynical side sees this less as a political statement, and more as a marketing...I don't want to say gimmick, let's say "tool". "What can we do to refresh this tired idea of convention, and bring new people into it with a newer form? Let's make it by women!"

And all in all, of that, I strongly approve - hells, I still have a plan* of convention that's based all around a gimmick, and I like to think it would be/it will be a blast :D.


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Furthermore, I consider that  This is Why We Don\'t Like You thread should be closed
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