Quote from: Opaopajr;651668Well, good on him. May he afford his beer of choice in plenty. And may his game afflict/bring joy to the tween MTV crowd as intended.

Stop being so fucking reasonable.  This is war, dammit.

Quote from: Opaopajr;651668Well, good on him. May he afford his beer of choice in plenty. And may his game afflict/bring joy to the tween MTV crowd as intended.

Pabst is pretty cheap as I understand.

Quote from: KenHR;651671Stop being so fucking reasonable.  This is war, dammit.

It is? Shieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet.

On a little of a more serious note - it is a bit. Yes, it's a petty one and between hardcore nerds, but there is a "war for gamers' souls" going on, and the discussion we have here is just one of the splints of it. In Vidja Gamez world, where the money's pretty darn serious, the war's much more showing between the Gameplay vs Story vs Filmlike, to name the few.

Quote from: jeff37923;651621Holy Fuck!

The same entertainment giant that brought us Jersey Shore is talking about Torchbearer! We should all strive to be noticed by such an august venue! :rolleyes:

Forbes and MTV (even if it the geel division on the website) are pretty high profile and a god way to get the word out. It won't translate into mainstream success, but it will get broaden their reach. Other game companies shouldn't scoff at the notion of doing PR in these venues just because of the game or person involved. Looks like a smart move on their part to me.

Quote from: DKChannelBoredom;651619Mastered over 10-20 sessions doesn't sound very Eurogamey to me. More like ol' school Avalon Hill (Goddamn Empires in Arms...)

True. But I don't see a system-wonk hipster like Crane being much interested in anything so pedestrian and old-school as a historical wargame. His stuff would fit better in the overwrought, over-designed Vlaada Chvátil puzzle game category.

Quote from: Haffrung;651677True. But I don't see a system-wonk hipster like Crane being much interested in anything so pedestrian and old-school as a historical wargame. His stuff would fit better in the overwrought, over-designed Vlaada Chvátil puzzle game category.

I'd say Mage Knight or that game about being a dungeon overlord that I can't recall off hand, with their mechanics, made me feel more immersed in the world than BW did.

Well, one must pick their battles. And he who chooses to tease away the money of rabid fans of modern MTV (those who actually check its website for lifestyle picks. I mean, honestly, modern MTV?), with this spelunking mini-game... obviously can't be all that bad. My enemy's enemy, or perhaps my enemy's well-intentioned friend leading them down "the path of good intentions", and all that.

How could I not wish success on something so fortuitous as that?

Edit: Heh, I'd happily supply the handbasket, too. Does Torchbearer need player visual aids like torch tokens? I think I can rustle up a repackaging of matches for only a 1000% markup.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;651675Forbes and MTV (even if it the geel division on the website) are pretty high profile and a god way to get the word out. It won't translate into mainstream success, but it will get broaden their reach. Other game companies shouldn't scoff at the notion of doing PR in these venues just because of the game or person involved. Looks like a smart move on their part to me.

Jeff is just jealous because an author he does not respect garnered more attention in a few short days than Jeff has gotten for everything he's written in his entire life.  So he's going to denigrate the quality of that attention, while privately wishing he'd get even half the same.

Quote from: Rincewind1;651674. . .there is a "war for gamers' souls" going on . . .

No, you fucking buffoon, there isn't.

There are gamers with differing preferences, and game designers trying to meet those preferences.

What makes the hype surrounding Torchbearer noteworthy is not some ridiculous imaginary roleplayer-jihad, but rather the spectacle of gamers who last week were decrying dungeon crawling and resource management pissing all over themselves like excitable puppies at it this week.

You drop the average IQ of this site precipitously every time you touch your keyboard, you pile of pigshit. You may want to see to that.

Quote from: Black Vulmea;651682No, you fucking buffoon, there isn't.

There are gamers with differing preferences, and game designers trying to meet those preferences.

What makes the hype surrounding Torchbearer noteworthy is not some ridiculous imaginary roleplayer-jihad, but rather the spectacle of gamers who last week were decrying dungeon crawling and resource management pissing all over themselves like excitable puppies at it this week.

You drop the average IQ of this site precipitously every time you touch your keyboard, you pile of pigshit. You may want to see to that.

We're still above your IQ on average, and  that's fine by me.

Just because you cry and scream in that there isn't one, doesn't change that. A conflict for taste is always going on. But be your usual dumb arse, and confuse two very different things, a perceived jihad with an actual cultural conflict in games per se, that the RPGs are just a minor part of, but where the whole thing began. Basic rules of consumerism applying to entertainment, that's been there since the first bard man telling the stories around the campfire was paid for it with a meal.

Or to speak on your level:

Girls girls, it's OK, you're both pretty.

Quote from: Rincewind1;651674On a little of a more serious note - it is a bit. Yes, it's a petty one and between hardcore nerds, but there is a "war for gamers' souls" going on, and the discussion we have here is just one of the splints of it. In Vidja Gamez world, where the money's pretty darn serious, the war's much more showing between the Gameplay vs Story vs Filmlike, to name the few.

*shrug*

They're games.  I've had incredible experiences with RPGs that I would never be able to duplicate with any other form of gaming.  I've learned a lot about language, social dynamics and such playing and reading RPGs.  I have fun applying social science and shit to my campaign settings and geek out over maps and population distribution spreadsheets.  I learned to program the fuck out of Excel because of RPGs.  But in the end, it's a hobby.  It's a pastime.  Other people game for different reasons.  I might not understand their reasons or agree with their approaches, but what the hell, they're having fun.

I guess I'm with BV.  The hipsterish vibe that drips from everything to do with Luke Crane and others like him is worthy of mockery.  But then anyone who takes this shit too seriously is.

Quote from: Mistwell;651681Jeff is just jealous because an author he does not respect garnered more attention in a few short days than Jeff has gotten for everything he's written in his entire life.  So he's going to denigrate the quality of that attention, while privately wishing he'd get even half the same.

Your analysis has cut me to the quick. I must now go and commit ritual seppuku by falling on my keyboard because my secret is out. Goodbye cruel world! I was unmasked by the White Knight! Heed his words with caution lest you suffer my same fate!

So who is Sgt. Barnes and who is Sgt. Elias?

Is Pundit Elias and Crane Barnes?

Does that make the rest of us Pvt. Talyor?

Quote from: Drohem;651724So who is Sgt. Barnes and who is Sgt. Elias?

Is Pundit Elias and Crane Barnes?

Does that make the rest of us Pvt. Talyor?

That's how storygamers look when they're laughing at you, man.

::cocks rifle, fires at the ground::

DANCE, MOTHERFUCKER!  DANCE!

Quote from: The Traveller;650805You understand this, the idiot wanted to destroy the hobby.

And failed. All they did was create a niche for people who like their way of gaming.

Quote from: The Traveller;651111And who knows, someday they may even be able to make money from their own ideas instead of riding on the coat tails of actual innovators.

Innovators are rarely the people who make the  money. It's the people who innovate on the basic ideas who make the money.