Torchbearer: dungeon exploring and survival simulation

Bedrockbrendan · May 02, 2013, 12:58:05 PM

Quote from: Rincewind1;651433It's all in fuseboy's and original sales pitch. If you don't want to move it, don't. I'll just cite one, since I don't feel like being called full of shit.

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That's where you read between the lines. The dungeon doesn't matter, because what matters, is that a story of a chilling dungeon comes out.

And really, I don't feel like writing for Wikipedia today.

I think you are reading too much into it here. I am not seeing story game. Running things on the fly and making up dungeons as you go (even rolling them randomly as you go) is something you see in normal RPGs.

Benoist · May 02, 2013, 12:59:13 PM

Quote from: Rincewind1;651433It's all in fuseboy's and original sales pitch. If you don't want to move it, don't. I'll just cite one, since I don't feel like being called full of shit.

3)

That's where you read between the lines. The dungeon doesn't matter, because what matters, is that a story of a chilling dungeon comes out.

And really, I don't feel like writing for Wikipedia today.

I get where you're going with this, and I think there's a doubt as well, but I will not move the thread just because of this quote alone. It includes this: "The GM's section has a checklist/process for making a dungeon that has some interesting ideas in it, about how the dungeon came to be a dungeon, what changes it's endured over the ages, as well as guidance on the appropriate amount of treasure, etc."

Which sounds to me like questions which can be answered from the point of view of the world (aka role playing), rather than the understanding of the game as an exercise in story-building. If you can show me how this game construes the act of play as story-building, then I'll reconsider.

Daddy Warpig · May 02, 2013, 02:24:27 PM

Quote from: Benoist;651386For it to be an actual story game, you'd have to show us how that game's actual purpose is not to emulate a world with the participants immersing therein, but rather to collaborate as a co-author to the creation of a story, narrative, or piece of fiction, along with rules tools that are supposed to help achieve this purpose.

Bingo!

Spinachcat · May 02, 2013, 03:08:05 PM

Quote from: The Traveller;651303but from your description of "coming all over yourself" in relation to a shared narrative game about trains.

There is a cool setting and great concepts in that Ghost Lines RPG. I am not going to use the narrative system, but the setting is an easy port over to something else. And I hope the authors expand the setting because there is something very cool there. Ghosts + Trains + Steampunk? Yeah, that's fresh enough to get my interest.

I am toying with a T&T conversion.

So thank you Silva for spooging about Ghost Lines! If you find anything else equally interesting please creampie this forum again!

RPG aren't just for pornstars!

TomatoMalone · May 02, 2013, 06:26:25 PM

Quote from: Benoist;651386For it to be an actual story game, you'd have to show us how that game's actual purpose is not to emulate a world with the participants immersing therein, but rather to collaborate as a co-author to the creation of a story, narrative, or piece of fiction, along with rules tools that are supposed to help achieve this purpose.

I think I've played a game like that before.

There one player who was the main author, of sorts, the executive producer, who designed dungeons and played all the NPCs. And then the rest of us, helped direct the flow of the events by making choices and acting out key parts of the events that transpired. And there were mechanics that helped us along in the resolution of these events, like instructions on what dice to roll to determine success or what the function of a wizard's spell was. It was a lot of fun, what was the game called again...?

Dungeons and Dragons, perhaps? I think that's it.

gleichman · May 02, 2013, 06:42:06 PM

Quote from: TomatoMalone;651546Dungeons and Dragons, perhaps? I think that's it.

Oh, I remember that game. It become more fun once one got out the straight jacket that was the dungeon...

I've played other Story Games too back in those days, like Champions and Dragon Quest, and even wrote one of my own.

I love me some story games. If they're good enough, you can even get really intense character immersion and world discovery going too!

Haffrung · May 02, 2013, 06:51:10 PM

Quote from: TomatoMalone;651546I think I've played a game like that before.

There one player who was the main author, of sorts, the executive producer, who designed dungeons and played all the NPCs. And then the rest of us, helped direct the flow of the events by making choices and acting out key parts of the events that transpired. And there were mechanics that helped us along in the resolution of these events, like instructions on what dice to roll to determine success or what the function of a wizard's spell was. It was a lot of fun, what was the game called again...?

Dungeons and Dragons, perhaps? I think that's it.

Yeah, who can forget that moment as a player deciding that the sub-chief of the Hill Giants was a traitor, and spending ally points to bring him onside in the big fight in the feasting hall. Or reaching consensus around the table that Keraptis was a mourning widower and we could achieve a secondary relationship goal by marrying him off to a succubus we decided lived at the bottom of the ziggurat where Blackrazor was kept. Good times!

Black Vulmea · May 02, 2013, 07:38:34 PM

'Torchbearer' Launches On Kickstarter, Brings Survival Back To Dungeons (emphasis added - BV)

My unintentional irony meter just went nova.

Rincewind1 · May 02, 2013, 07:41:20 PM

Quote from: Black Vulmea;651555'Torchbearer' Launches On Kickstarter, Brings Survival Back To Dungeons (emphasis added - BV)

My unintentional irony meter just went nova.

The true irony will be when someone steals the entire Tomb of Horrors, changes the name, and slaps "Powered by Torchbearer" on top of it.

The Traveller · May 02, 2013, 07:47:05 PM

Quote from: Rincewind1;651557The true irony will be when someone steals the entire Tomb of Horrors, changes the name, and slaps "Powered by Torchbearer" on top of it.

I'm giving real consideration to stealing torchbearer, changing the name, and slapping "Powered by the Tomb of Horrors" on it.

Benoist · May 02, 2013, 08:23:58 PM

Quote from: Black Vulmea;651555'Torchbearer' Launches On Kickstarter, Brings Survival Back To Dungeons (emphasis added - BV)

My unintentional irony meter just went nova.

Jeff was right. There's a sucker born every minute.

Piestrio · May 02, 2013, 09:43:24 PM

Quote from: Benoist;651567Jeff was right. There's a sucker born every minute.

I'm actually quite curious and might back it.

That said the smugness and hipper than thou attitude is REALLY off putting.

Benoist · May 02, 2013, 10:23:54 PM

Quote from: Piestrio;651582I'm actually quite curious and might back it.

That said the smugness and hipper than thou attitude is REALLY off putting.

Oh, you know I'm not your mom. If you do back it, I hope you are satisfied in the end, and get a lot of fun at your game table out of this game.

I just know that, as far as I'm concerned, it isn't for me, and that its marketing is a crock of shit. An insulting crock of shit, actually.

crkrueger · May 02, 2013, 11:30:55 PM

(Reads the description of this forum) Pundit's going to move the thread not because TB is a storygame, but because it's not a traditional RPG.

Benoist · May 02, 2013, 11:33:57 PM

Quote from: CRKrueger;651601(Reads the description of this forum) Pundit's going to move the thread not because TB is a storygame, but because it's not a traditional RPG.

Well it's definitely NOT a traditional RPG. That's a good point you're bringing up...