Monsters associated with Asmodeus?

Bill · March 12, 2013, 11:47:57 AM

Quote from: Haffrung;636410A Beholder - now that has potential. I want to have some sort of dark mirror in a cave, beyond which a malign entity gives important information and counsel - subtly attractive and corrupting. It would be a nice surprise to reveal the honey-tongued corrupter as a beholder. Perhaps a banished rival of the current head of the cult?

That sounds great!

RPGPundit · March 13, 2013, 06:33:57 PM

On this sort of topic, a real-life book for ideas that any gamer should check out is the Goetia. Either the Mathers/Crowley edition or the "Illustrated Goetia" by Duquette.
The Goetia is a real life 14th-century grimoire; the kind of thing that the fictional "necronomicon" was based on. And both those versions have awesome illustrations (the former are drawings from the turn of the 20th century, the latter are more comic-book style drawings from the 1980s).

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TristramEvans · March 14, 2013, 05:28:40 PM

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Asmodeus doesn't need monsters. He's f-ing Asmodeus.

Bill · March 15, 2013, 05:08:33 AM

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Asmodeus doesn't need monsters. He's f-ing Asmodeus.

Sure but if you take him on at level three you better hope Daniel Webster is your lawyer.

RPGPundit · March 17, 2013, 03:51:02 AM

Quote from: TristramEvans;637204'
Asmodeus doesn't need monsters. He's f-ing Asmodeus.

It was customary in olden times for Demonic aristocracy to control a certain number of "legions of spirits", and for there to be books that detailed what types (and sometimes named their commanders).

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TristramEvans · March 17, 2013, 01:29:30 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit;637804It was customary in olden times for Demonic aristocracy to control a certain number of "legions of spirits", and for there to be books that detailed what types (and sometimes named their commanders).

Indeed, quite familiar with The Goetia, and Gustav Davidson's seminal taxonomy of angels and fallen angels. Not that Asmodeus (or any demon for that matter) as presented in D&D bears any resemblance to the spirits in those books/traditions.

RPGPundit · March 18, 2013, 04:19:06 PM

Quote from: TristramEvans;637862Indeed, quite familiar with The Goetia, and Gustav Davidson's seminal taxonomy of angels and fallen angels. Not that Asmodeus (or any demon for that matter) as presented in D&D bears any resemblance to the spirits in those books/traditions.

Not really, but he could. Of course then any relatively low-level wizard would have a decent chance of controlling him, with Goetia rules!

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TristramEvans · March 18, 2013, 09:07:39 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit;638166Not really, but he could. Of course then any relatively low-level wizard would have a decent chance of controlling him, with Goetia rules!

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I'm actually kind of surprised I've never run across a set of rules for Goetia-style summonings magic for D&D. Probably because the game was trying to distance itself from accusations of devil worship back in the 80s, but it'd be a great alternate magic system for D&D.

RPGPundit · March 19, 2013, 07:52:55 PM

Quote from: TristramEvans;638231I'm actually kind of surprised I've never run across a set of rules for Goetia-style summonings magic for D&D. Probably because the game was trying to distance itself from accusations of devil worship back in the 80s, but it'd be a great alternate magic system for D&D.

I would imagine so.

jasmith · March 19, 2013, 11:43:39 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit;638496I would imagine so.

Fight On! #6 has an article along these lines. My own "Random Angel Generator" can be accessed on the left hand column of my blog. It attributes angelic powers to planetary spheres, based upon the AD&D "Types of Magic."

RPGPundit · March 20, 2013, 05:01:04 PM

Quote from: jasmith;638549Fight On! #6 has an article along these lines. My own "Random Angel Generator" can be accessed on the left hand column of my blog. It attributes angelic powers to planetary spheres, based upon the AD&D "Types of Magic."

Interesting. For the record, though, I'll note that when it comes to fantasy I'm much happier using totally-made-up fantasy-magic than thinking it would be in any way better to try to make the magic system match real-world medieval magic.

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talysman · March 20, 2013, 09:49:30 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit;638738Interesting. For the record, though, I'll note that when it comes to fantasy I'm much happier using totally-made-up fantasy-magic than thinking it would be in any way better to try to make the magic system match real-world medieval magic.

If you want something halfway between "totally made-up" and "REAL MEDIEVAL MAGIC, DQQD!" Fantasy Wargaming's magic system is not as bad as some people made it out to be. It's based on astrological correspondences, and they include lists of saints, demons, and Norse gods and the domains they govern.

We used to work out the Degree of Difficulty for D&D spells and totally made-up stuff, like "asteroid strike".

TristramEvans · March 20, 2013, 10:21:34 PM

Quote from: talysman;638798If you want something halfway between "totally made-up" and "REAL MEDIEVAL MAGIC, DQQD!" Fantasy Wargaming's magic system is not as bad as some people made it out to be. It's based on astrological correspondences, and they include lists of saints, demons, and Norse gods and the domains they govern.

lol, that game is not playable in the least. Its a fun read, but its really one of the objectively crappy rules presentations of rules of all time.

And the magic system is really just a bunch of modifiers. If someone wants a system closer to real-world occult magic, they'd be much better off with the one from Nephilim.

RPGPundit · March 21, 2013, 07:26:03 PM

Quote from: talysman;638798If you want something halfway between "totally made-up" and "REAL MEDIEVAL MAGIC, DQQD!" Fantasy Wargaming's magic system is not as bad as some people made it out to be. It's based on astrological correspondences, and they include lists of saints, demons, and Norse gods and the domains they govern.

We used to work out the Degree of Difficulty for D&D spells and totally made-up stuff, like "asteroid strike".

True, but in a totally insane kind of way.

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