Shadowrun 5th edition

silva · February 22, 2013, 04:12:07 PM

The cover art is finished. (read more here. )

So, what do you guys expect ? Me, since I found rules light gems like Apocalypse World/Dungeon World and Savage Worlds, I dont wanna touch a Shadowrun system ever again. But if the setting is well depicted, I will give them my money.

Looking at the cover, I see 2 things in the right direction:

1. more Amerindian influence (the girl zapping the insect is not a mage, but a shaman). I think its an important element of the setting that was, sadly, left behind in 4th edition.

2. more cables and wires coming out of your head (look at the decker). I know wireless is hot and all, but wires are a staple of the genre. Bonus points if they bring cyberdecks back again.

gleichman · February 22, 2013, 04:18:22 PM

Quote from: silva;6310941. more Amerindian influence

The whole Amerindian thing was silly from the beginning. It's not a selling point to me.

Quote from: silva;6310942. more cables and wires coming out of your head (look at the decker). I know wireless is hot and all, but wires are a staple of the genre. Bonus points if they bring cyberdecks back again.

This I agree with.

I'll not be buying any of the new rules, I've already stolen what campaign ideas I wish from them and will continue to use HERO to run the campaign. They have nothing to offer me.

Blackhand · February 22, 2013, 04:22:52 PM

I'll probably pick it up.

I've got all the other ones, and plus I like wires and cyberdecks. I used the wireless rules though.

Also, I'm American Indian...so I like to see that sort of thing.

danbuter · February 22, 2013, 05:32:44 PM

Looks pretty cool to me!

Libertad · February 22, 2013, 05:33:04 PM

I really like Shadowrun, but I won't be buying the products as long as Catalyst Game Labs is involved.

All I hope is that they create some intuitive, simple hacking rules which get around The Decker Problem.

Piestrio · February 22, 2013, 05:33:45 PM

Quote from: Libertad;631120I really like Shadowrun, but I won't be buying the products as long as Catalyst Game Labs is involved.

Why is that?

Libertad · February 22, 2013, 05:34:50 PM

Quote from: Piestrio;631121Why is that?

The company's top guys are embezzlers who took company funds for personal use, and refused to pay freelancers for their work.

But that's not necessarily related, and I don't want this to get off-topic. Just explaining a personal reason why I'm not going to buy.

Piestrio · February 22, 2013, 05:36:23 PM

Quote from: Libertad;631123The company's top guys are embezzlers who took company funds for personal use, and refused to pay freelancers for their work.

Huh, the more you know.

Have sauce for that?

Libertad · February 22, 2013, 05:44:10 PM

Yes, let's see what I can find.

Loren Coleman's an embezzler, but I don't know if it was a one-man show or he had help from others. So instead of "top guys," I meant "at least one of them."

Big Thread about it on rpg.net

And since somebody's going to ask, yes Frank Trollman has an axe to grind against CGL, but since nobody's going to hire him for work, he was used as a whistle-blower by other freelancers instead of exposing it themselves (apparently blowing the lid on company corruption makes you unhireable in the table-top industry or something). And other freelancers (such as Rob Boyle of Eclipse Phase, and the CthulhuTech guys) said that they won't be working with the company anymore after this.

And CGL did an internal audit on their company. Some numbers.

And here.

Ladybird · February 22, 2013, 06:55:54 PM

Art looks good. I'd rather not see wires - sure, they're (80's) Gibsonian, but Case's deck was wireless-capable even then, as was Molly's Simstim transmitter (And think about the bandwidth that would consume!). But they do make for more fun gaming, if you have to actually go to a site and engage, rather than sit at home with a crimekit.

Catelf · February 22, 2013, 08:44:51 PM

Quote from: Ladybird;631152Art looks good. I'd rather not see wires - sure, they're (80's) Gibsonian, but Case's deck was wireless-capable even then, as was Molly's Simstim transmitter (And think about the bandwidth that would consume!). But they do make for more fun gaming, if you have to actually go to a site and engage, rather than sit at home with a crimekit.

Wanna know a good real-life reason for using wires?

The wireless bandwith is limited.

I'm slightly confused by the picture, i don't have 4'rth Ed by the way, but ...
Is the corporate team fighing together with the Runners against the bug ... or is the bug summoned by the Corporate Mage?
.... But ...
Do that mean that mean that the Mage/Shaman roles are near interchangable now, since a Mage summons a Spirit, and the assumed Shaman uses a spell, and not a summoned spirit herself?

... Or am i even so far back as 2'nd Ed, considering i'm confused?
.... Do explain to me, i won't mind.

silva · February 23, 2013, 09:27:35 PM

I think the bug-spirit was conjured up by the corp, but not necessarily but that wage mage in the pic (I think only insect Shamans can summon insect-spirits, if I remember right). This means Ares is hiding some bad shit in this instalation.

danbuter · February 23, 2013, 09:58:25 PM

The shaman is an elf, btw. Not an Amerindian.

smiorgan · February 23, 2013, 10:08:00 PM

There should be headwires etc, and a table for consequences if/when PCs snag that flying lead on doorhandles, coat hooks, when pulling on a t-shirt, etc.

gleichman · February 23, 2013, 10:12:32 PM

Quote from: smiorgan;631398There should be headwires etc, and a table for consequences if/when PCs snag that flying lead on doorhandles, coat hooks, when pulling on a t-shirt, etc.

Realism, not genre.

Not I am slamming you for picking the first, but it's interesting to note your choice. That this is one of the reason I so like rules to cover all physical reality questions like this one, too often there's a conflict of that nature when looking at in-game questions.