http://sjgames.com/ill/archive/February_10_2013/Wheres_The_Stakeholders_Report

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Bummer about the stakeholder report being delayed, its one of the few honest looks at the industry that we get.

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Bummer about the stakeholder report being delayed, its one of the few honest looks at the industry that we get.

good news is always welcome news.

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How much of that is due to Munchkin, I wonder, and how much to GURPS?

Quote from: Daddy Warpig;627433How much of that is due to Munchkin, I wonder, and how much to GURPS?

Almost entirely Munchkin I'm sure

And almost none of it was from Gurps!

Funny, our group played a game of Munchkin for the first time a few weeks back (someone called in sick)... and it was pretty unanimously a flop. Maybe because it seemed a parody of an RPG at a time when we really would have rather been playing an RPG.

The popularity of Munchkin mystifies me. I like it but the humor relies on players being familiar with D&D, which my RPG group obviously is, but (e.g.) our wives, who often join us for boardgame night, aren't.

Ah well, long live SJG and all that.

Wasn't the Ogre Kickstarter over a million dollars? I think that would have put 2012 over the top.

Quote from: Killfuck Soulshitter;627517Wasn't the Ogre Kickstarter over a million dollars? I think that would have put 2012 over the top.

He specifically says not counting kickstarter money it was their highest sales year.

Well is this good or bad?

Pretty safe assumption Munchkin is the big mover over there since the new Ogre isn't factored in.

So, Munchkin is probably worthless to non-roleplayers, right?  So either
1. We have more active roleplayers who are also playing Munchkin. (Good)
2. We have more inactive roleplayers needing to do something so they play Munchkin. (Bad)
3. We have more ex-roleplayers laughing at the stupid shit you do as kids. (Bad)

:hmm:

Quote from: CRKrueger;627614Well is this good or bad?

Pretty safe assumption Munchkin is the big mover over there since the new Ogre isn't factored in.

So, Munchkin is probably worthless to non-roleplayers, right?  So either
1. We have more active roleplayers who are also playing Munchkin. (Good)
2. We have more inactive roleplayers needing to do something so they play Munchkin. (Bad)
3. We have more ex-roleplayers laughing at the stupid shit you do as kids. (Bad)

:hmm:

Makes sense to me.  Personally, I've seen Munchkin act as a nice "pressure release" for serious campaigning - you can get your "kick a door, kill a friend" jollies in a consequence-free environment, and less of the silly gets into your day-to-day roleplaying.  YMMV.

(I will note that Munchkin does, indeed, require genre knowledge for the humor to work - which is why I prefer Chez Geek (link to Wiki).  'Cause everybody can relate to having bad roommates.  )

Quote from: CRKrueger;627614So, Munchkin is probably worthless to non-roleplayers, right?  So either
1. We have more active roleplayers who are also playing Munchkin. (Good)
2. We have more inactive roleplayers needing to do something so they play Munchkin. (Bad)
3. We have more ex-roleplayers laughing at the stupid shit you do as kids. (Bad)

4. We have more WoW players who find Munchkin and laugh at the fantasy RPG tropes not even realizing that they originated in D&D. (Sad)
5. We have more DSA/TDE players (US equivalent: story telling gamers, story gamers) wanting to experience the stuff those D&D players do without actually playing D&D. (Indifferent)
6. We have more fans of John Kovalic art who collect the cards as cartoons. (Understandable, I liked Murphy's Rules as well)

If Munchkin was useless to non-roleplayers it would not be such a big hit in mainstream (toy, game, book) stores. I don't know about the US market but the German edition of Munchkin is all over the place, neatly placed next to Bohnanza, Skip-bo, Uno and similar games.
Also, don't underestimate the lure of John Kovalic art.

I really can't stand Munchkin, any of them. It's a terrible little game with intentionally poorly-written rules and an endgame that's not about beating the other players, but instead waiting for everyone else with an advantage to get unloaded on by the entire table to stop them winning, and then sneaking through when everyone else is out of FUCK YOU cards. At the end, the game really, really drags as a result.

Munchkin Quest is all right, but again suffers from the FUCK YOU endgame.

My wife, having never played an RPG tabletop or video game, is the reason we play Munchkin from time to time. She liked the art on one of the undead ones. We own Super-Hero Munchkin and Zombie Munchkin. The people who play at our house usually have zero prior RPG experience and we enjoy the screwing-each-other-over aspect. It's also not a game we play more than a couple times a month.

Its good to see that the new economy, the way things are changing in how we sell products, is apparently leading to prosperity for some of the older gaming companies as well, and not just the new small-press people.

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