All this is over the contention that choosing to discuss things only with people you've vetted and who agree with you maybe just might cause a narrowing of discussion?  :rolleyes:

Clearing out the noise sure is attractive, but let's not pretend it won't eventually lead to cliques and echo chambers, hell that happens eventually when other people are allowed in, it will just happen faster when you keep stuff on the down low with the other cool cats.

Christ, the OSR blogosphere was moving that way already before the move to G+, people more concerned with being in then saying what's on their mind.

Also unlike some people like J, Aos, Zak, who G+, blog, forum the whole 9 yards - we were (before the tempest in a thimble) talking about Mal, who put his fingers in his ears and refused to interact with any critics.  Sounds like the Pope isn't exactly running with a full Mitre at the moment, so we can cut him some slack, but it is illustrative of exactly the valid criticism of G+, that it increases enjoyment by only allowing the softest hands in the circle-jerk.

No one on this earth is obligated to listen to you berate them.  

Even telemarketers and IT clerks are allowed to hang up on hostile callers.

In a digital space, where one is not capable of punching someone in the throat, this important tenet becomes all the more relevant.

Quote from: CRKrueger;626653Clearing out the noise sure is attractive, but let's not pretend it won't eventually lead to cliques and echo chambers, hell that happens eventually when other people are allowed in, it will just happen faster when you keep stuff on the down low with the other cool cats.

Christ, the OSR blogosphere was moving that way already before the move to G+, people more concerned with being in then saying what's on their mind.

I don't know that it leads to cliques and echo-chambers any faster than some fora do, but sure, yes, this stuff is human nature.  Yet conversely, I don't think it's reasonable to assume that every social media platform should work exactly the same as a forum, either.  There's a difference between "I like having more control over who I chat with about games" and "I have decided to talk only with vetted, pre-approved people who agree with me".

The real issue I think you're getting at is not the tech, or the medium, but the circling-of-wagons in a clique and the concern about being "in" or "accepted" or whatever.

I don't have time for the high-school shit.  I'll chat with anybody about gaming crap.  But don't be surprised if an interesting exchange means I want to chat with that person more.

I have more people in circles  than this place has active posters. Fuck, Zak and I are in near continual state of disagreement. We've yet to uncircle or block one another. I post gaming stuff and it is visible to everyone in my gaming circles, i have two, gaming and relevant. Relevant is for those poster who I know don't post cat pictures or long political screeds.  I don't make public gaming posts, because, like, my archaeology friends don't care about D&D and they are the only other people on there.

This G+ option is sounding better and better.

Damn for a guy trying to get banned, you sure like to hear the sound of your own voice.

Losing Gib/Aos from RPGsite would utterly suck. Even shittier than when Kyle Aaron flamed out of here.

Quote from: Spinachcat;626673Losing Gib/Aos from RPGsite would utterly suck. Even shittier than when Kyle Aaron flamed out of here.

Pseudo flamed out.  Kyle and David R left in protest of the flameout.

Well colour me confused about the reason for Aos' tanty. Would be a damn shame to lose him, however.

Quote from: Fiasco;626683Well colour me confused about the reason for Aos' tanty. Would be a damn shame to lose him, however.

Benoist is not only a prick, he's a prick who absolutely refuses to ever take responsibility for his behavior.

I for one, though, hope Aos remains, despite Benoist being a collosal fucking prick, because he's good people, makes cool shit, and his unceasing deflation of the high-minded, self-inflated bullshit that sometimes passes for discourse around here was always appreciated.

But if not, fuck it, he was one of the first people I added on G+ so I can always find him there.  

The flip side of G+'s supposed "self-censorship" is I also can keep in touch with the people authoritarian domains drove away.

I'm certainly no Benoist apologist, IMO he used to be a lot cooler a few years ago when he didnt appear on a personal mission to present a certain face of D&D. Still, I can't see what he said in this thread was so provocative.

I'm not on G+ because I don't have the time.  For mine it's a damn shame so much of the OSR has moved there.

So, uh, how 'bout them megadungeons? I hear stuff about this Dwimmermount thing. Anything good?

:idunno:

People don't like what Benoist says...

Fuck you, you Gallic prick.  Your back's hairier then your scalp, and you people deserve EuroDisney for being so rude and your women not shaving those armpits.

I know he's a mod and you can't IL him, but so what.  I read fast, like very very fast. No system like Evelyn Woods, just fast.  I can't read so fast it's impossible to scroll past a post without seeing it.  Well maybe I'll catch a one liner, no matter what I do, but you get my point.

The only difference here between a mod and non-mod is with a mod, after I tell him to go fuck his mother/wife/sister (doesn't matter what order, it's the same person), I can't go "Neener Neener Neener" and announce to the world my flawless victory by publicly declaring my IL.

What's the only, and I mean ONLY way to do "Neener Neener Neener" here?  Suicide by mod, which in a place practically without rules, makes you look like an idiot.  I want off of awfulpurple or enworld, I tell the mods off to their face, I walk away knowing I'll get banned, it's catharsis.  Here to get that, I have to post porn, links to sites illegal in some countries, discuss paedophilia or call Pundit by his name.  Everyone can see you're dying on that hill, but it's such an obvious and ridiculous act no matter how cool you are that it's hard to sympathize.

Quote from: Opaopajr;626703So, uh, how 'bout them megadungeons? I hear stuff about this Dwimmermount thing. Anything good?

:idunno:

It's got a hella cool name, and since the author is a historical kind of guy, I'm sure in the end, once he gets his life back on track and his head in the game, there will be lots of stuff in there to give sense of age and context to the place, even if there won't be dancing silverware, flying snakes or laserbears in each room and some room descriptions might be dull.  I hear some levels are very cool map wise.

Also despite the claim from some that he's stealing 50k, the beta has some what, 200 pages or something?  There is a document.  It just needs layout and publishing, which is on hold.

There, something positive for you Opa.

Quote from: Benoist;626625If all you're going about is just trolling for the lulz then no, I don't find it acceptable. You used to be witty and funny, and now it just sounds mean and frustrated. If you go ahead and post the Pundit's name knowing what the penalty is, I will ban you, Gib/Aos. Do not make me have to do this.

If you really feel like descending to threats, you should hand in your moderator badge before you do something irresponsible with it.