Quote from: Bill;606508Excellent! But willl he learn?

Quote from: Bill;606512Well, I have met quite a few players that literally can not comprehend what 'Lawful Good' means.

As in, Good does not mean "What is Good for my selfish ass"

or, "Lawful means I obey written laws just because"


Lawful AND Good...epic fail by a few players.

Quote from: Bill;606615Guidlines can be very handy.

Once the 'obvious' has been declared: "You are a champion oif all that is Good and Right; protector of the weak, light where there is darkness, hope when all seems lost".....then I let the player do what they please, and have the environment respond accordingly.

If a Paladin is not acting very paladinlike, his divine power could fail, and the  npc's in the setting would react appropriately.

As a rule I dont tell a player how to play their character.

Paladins and clerics being the trickiest I suppose.

Quote from: Doctor Jest;606620There's a difference between telling a player how to play their character and expecting a player to embrace the premise of the character and thus the internal reality of the game world by extention. I find players who refuse to do that, even when said premise and game world has been slowly, carefully, clearly explained to them, are problem players that are best to divest one's self of rather than try to "fix" them through in-game consequences.

Someone who says they want to play a paladin then goes around slitting throats and generally being a psychopath is probably in that category.

Quote from: Doctor Jest;606609I think this is a problem with the D&D alignment system in general. It's not always immediately clear to everyone, in the same way, what any given alignment means.

I think it's better to hand a Paladin or Cleric a set of religious principles they are supposed to uphold, and the things their god considers a sin. This communicates a very clear expectation of behavior.

While not a perfect implementation, I though Palladium was on the right track with its alignments, as the description of the alignments explained them in terms of what kinds of behaviors a character of that alignment would have, which better informed role playing those characters.

Quote from: Haffrung;606770The problem with things like alignment and paladins in D&D is paladins are based on medieval Christian lore. But how is the Paladin of a wrathful storm god supposed to behave? Why would his code of behaviour map to that of Christians? What if your world has nothing analogous to Christianity?

Quote from: thedungeondelver;606836No, Paladins are based on Holger du Danske in Three Hearts and Three Lions.

Holger was very, very human.  As was the Saracen paladin who adventured with him.

Quote from: Looter Guy;605537"I look inside!"
"I open it!"
"I take it!"

OMG! Shurely everyone has shared a table with one of these players. "ME FIRST!" and "I go through the gnoll's sack!" are exclamations, while the rest of the party is either recovering from combat. the trapped door, or even talking to major npc's.

I end up secretly wishing for their early death or opening the wrong box before its over...

Quote from: jibbajibba;606853I give you Neutral Good and Neutral Evil are tricky maybe but most teenagers get that Captain America doesn't slit throats or carry the bulk of the gold off for himself, doesn't punch orphans in the face or cheat at poker.

Quote from: jeff37923;606855This guy is what Rot Grubs were made for.