James, you're reading way too much into that statement. He never said a thing about Bush condoning abortion bombings.

Quote from: James McMurrayJames, you're reading way too much into that statement. He never said a thing about Bush condoning abortion bombings.

Eh? Maybe.  I could go through the logic that allows for that reading.

I'm just ranting as a caution for throwing such statements out without much thought/care.  It's a pet peeve.

EDIT: And you know what?  Between you, James Hargrove, and me, things are going to get confusing.

I already have to scroll up whenever someone says, "James..." It's especially confusing in threads that I haven't replied to yet, because part of me wonders if I did reply and just forgot. That I usually ignore user names on posts doesn't help any. You and another guy could be going back and forth for a half a page and if he at some point says "James" I'm gonna have to stop for a minute because I didn't even realize you were posting.

Quote from: James J SkachI mean, you can find a lot of faults with George W. Bush.  You can find a lot of faults with religious fanatics.  That means nothing in the tapestry that is America. It does not directly result in a simliarity to Islamo-fascist regimes.

I disagree. I find many similarities between Dubya's worldview and the fanatical Muslim sects. By the way, you wrote that Dubya condones the bombing of abortion clinics, not I.Mind you Dubya didn't mind bombing stuff, particularly when the American forces invaded Iraq.
I can also find some good things about Dubya. He is going ahead with a proposed moon base,which is a start to humanity getting into the solarsystem and thus reducing the strain on the resources and environment of Earth.

You loons, it has nothing to do with Dubya. You lot obsess far too much about one elected doofus.

I mentioned abortion clinic bombings simply because Dominus Nox is asserting that if anything bad at all happens to women which does not happen to men, then the country is not an equal one, and another example of "islamic totalitarianism."

So, the reasoning for Dominus Nox goes like this,

• If a country has inequality of women, then that country is totalitarian.
• Every Moslem country has inequality of women.
• Therefore, Islam is totalitarian.

Using the same reasoning,

• If a country has inequality of women, then that country is totalitarian.
• The United States has inequality of women.
• Therefore, the United States is totalitarian.

It's called a "reductio ad absurdum" or some shit like that. If a guy is using dodgy reasoning to say something crazy which some people will agree with - "moslem countries are all totalitarian" - then you use the same dodgy reasoning to say something crazy which no-one will agree with - "the USA is totalitarian." In this way you show that both his reasoning and his conclusions are wrong.

It ain't that subtle, guys, come on.

Plus, you know, he's talking about "equality", and equality ain't the only part of deciding whether a country is truly free. Men and women are equal in China, under their laws and in most practice, but it sure as shit ain't a free country. Men and women have less equality in Mexico than in China, but overall Mexico is a more free country.

Dominus Nox, and a lot of you guys, are trying to reduce a complicated situation into something much simpler. This justifies your bigotry against Islam.

Hey, let's try that, "use the other guy's reasoning against him" trick again, that's fun.

Quote from: WerekoalaWhen was the last abortion clinic bombing?

When was the last Islamist suicide bombing?

When was the last women's rape of a man?
When was the last man's rape of a woman?
Oh no, all men are rapists!

When was the last time another country killed US civilians?
When was the last time the US killed another country's civilians?
Oh no, the USA are terrorists!

We can play this game all day. Or, we can be reasonable and sane. The world of Islam is not a world of murderers.

And Dubya has nothing to do with anything here. Get the fuck over the guy.

When it comes to who to believe between the right and the left, I've found that the left is closer to the truth and reality as I see them.

The right talks about how things are great and getting better and how all these jobs being sent overseas helps the economy. The left says that these things hurt MOST of america while helping a tiny minority, the ultra rich.

Well, in my area things have been getting worse and worse for years. My area used to be a major industrial area, with several major industries, a great economy, etc. People moved from the south to my area to get better lives.

Now, we're a spot of rust on the map, our factories are all gone, our industries are gone, people's futures are gone, people are still living with their parents into their 30s because there are no jobs around here that pay more than minimum wage and we have areas that are absolutely overran with gangs and drugs.

That's MY america, that's the country I see when I look around my area, that's MY reality. All these people on the right, the limbaughs, the hanitys, etc, talk about how great things are and how 'the economy' is doing fine, and maybe 'the economy' is doing great depending on how you measure it and who you ask, but my area is pretty much dead as far as jobs, hope and opportunities go.

That's what the left, the people like Michael Moore, the people like Al Franken , are talking about, and what they say is closer to my reality and my world than the right ever is, so when it comes to who to listen to, I listen to them.

Quote from: JimBobOzYou loons, it has nothing to do with Dubya. You lot obsess far too much about one elected doofus.

I mentioned abortion clinic bombings simply because Dominus Nox is asserting that if anything bad at all happens to women which does not happen to men, then the country is not an equal one, and another example of "islamic totalitarianism."

So, the reasoning for Dominus Nox goes like this,

• If a country has inequality of women, then that country is totalitarian.
• Every Moslem country has inequality of women.
• Therefore, Islam is totalitarian.

Using the same reasoning,

• If a country has inequality of women, then that country is totalitarian.
• The United States has inequality of women.
• Therefore, the United States is totalitarian.

It's called a "reductio ad absurdum" or some shit like that. If a guy is using dodgy reasoning to say something crazy which some people will agree with - "moslem countries are all totalitarian" - then you use the same dodgy reasoning to say something crazy which no-one will agree with - "the USA is totalitarian." In this way you show that both his reasoning and his conclusions are wrong.

It ain't that subtle, guys, come on.

Plus, you know, he's talking about "equality", and equality ain't the only part of deciding whether a country is truly free. Men and women are equal in China, under their laws and in most practice, but it sure as shit ain't a free country. Men and women have less equality in Mexico than in China, but overall Mexico is a more free country.

Dominus Nox, and a lot of you guys, are trying to reduce a complicated situation into something much simpler. This justifies your bigotry against Islam.

Hey, let's try that, "use the other guy's reasoning against him" trick again, that's fun.

When was the last women's rape of a man?
When was the last man's rape of a woman?
Oh no, all men are rapists!

When was the last time another country killed US civilians?
When was the last time the US killed another country's civilians?
Oh no, the USA are terrorists!

We can play this game all day. Or, we can be reasonable and sane. The world of Islam is not a world of murderers.

And Dubya has nothing to do with anything here. Get the fuck over the guy.

Jim bob, you gutless, spineless, worthless piece of shit, I hope someday your country is taken over by radical islam, and you are someday forced at gunpoint to enter a mosque and bow to islam or die.

I actually hope someday the muslim apologists like you (especially you you scumbag after the crack you made about my mother you worthless coward) end up living under a taliban type government, because it would serve you and your ass kissing ilk so fucking right to be forced to choose between sharia or death.

Hahahahahahahahahah

"Not all Moslems are terrorists."
"ZOMFG ur cuntree will haf sharia law soon! Tehn u will sorrrrreeee!"

So, Moslems are all terrorists, are they? Well, that means it's alright to murder them all, yeah? Maybe they could dig big ditches, and you could shoot them all in the back of the head, yeah? Or maybe you don't have the stomach for that, so you'll ask a nice chemical company to come up with a "painless" gassing method, yeah?

Or maybe I'm just oversensitive, since it was my people who were last accused of being intrinsically criminal.

Hey look, I've made a diagram to expain things.

Hey, do we really need this bigoted guy in our forums? I had a look, and only around 20 of his last 100 posts were about rpgs - that is, in the roleplaying forums. And about 7 of those were in the "are you a fatbeard?" thread.

He's bigoted, and only has four basic topics of conversation, none of them involving rpgs.

Like I said about that non-gamer Kiero on rpg.net, why is he here?

Quote from: JimBobOzLike I said about that non-gamer Kiero on rpg.net, why is he here?

JimBob, don't even mention Kiero, in the same thread as Nox. At least Kiero, talks about gaming -and is slowly getting back into face to face gaming, if I'm not mistaken

I think, like most folks, esp ones active in a niche hobby, this is the only place he has to vent his frustrations. I doubt he is active in any orgs that would channel his frustrations and bile into something constructive/productive for his community and him -and please no jokes about the KKK.

No, he comes here, because he feels comfortable around folks who share the same interest (RPGs) as him and because there are probably those who are sympathetic to his views if not his expression of them.

The best thing to do, as you advised me up thread, is to just let the guy rant away all he likes. Attention is his desire, let's not be too quick to oblige him...

Regards,
David R

Quote from: David RThe best thing to do, as you advised me up thread, is to just let the guy rant away all he likes.

As I was told in Her Majesty's Armed Forces, "Do as I say, not as I do."

I just hate bigots. I mean, shit, we all have some prejudiced views, we're all a bit chauvinist. But when you start saying an entire race is criminal and therefore are a problem which needs a Final Solution, hey, that's too fucking far.

And that shit's on the tip of his tongue, you can tell.

I don't believe in freedom of speech in every place around. There's some shit that should not be said. Not in polite company, anyway.

And why shouldn't Dominus Nox go to his KKK meetings? Everyone's gotta socialise! I mean, one guy might roleplay, another guy might help out at the Red Cross store, some other guy might answer phones for the Pakistan Earthquake Relief Fun, someone else might play volleyball - and Dominus Nox puts on a white hood and burns crosses on Moslems' front lawns.

Quote from: Dominus NoxJim bob, you gutless, spineless, worthless piece of shit, I hope someday your country is taken over by radical islam, and you are someday forced at gunpoint to enter a mosque and bow to islam or die.

I actually hope someday the muslim apologists like you (especially you you scumbag after the crack you made about my mother you worthless coward) end up living under a taliban type government, because it would serve you and your ass kissing ilk so fucking right to be forced to choose between sharia or death.

Donkey Pox, so now you support radical fanatics! Your "black and white" worldview does not mirror a complex reality. You seem to go from one extreme to another, like an atheist who was once a hardline catholic. You might like to call folk "worthless cowards" but you won't venture over here to Blighty (after all that anti English shite) so that you can get your arse handed to you on a plate. I put it to you, Donkey Pox, that you are a knee jerk reactionary coward!:p

Quote from: JimBobOzI just hate bigots. I mean, shit, we all have some prejudiced views, we're all a bit chauvinist. But when you start saying an entire race is criminal and therefore are a problem which needs a Final Solution, hey, that's too fucking far.

By the way, Islam / Muslim is not a race, you bigot.

As for Dominus Nox's post count, how many of those are in the off topic forums? I think he's a raving asshole too, but if his non-gaming posts are in the non-gaming forums then they're right where they belong.

Whatever you do don't lose Nox.  The guy's comedy gold and one of the main reasons I've stuck around.  Who the hell else could come out as an Islamic hating "cliff'em all!" psycho and then announce he's a lefty.

Plus the fact that everything would be rosy in the garden of Eden if only it weren't for those swine and facista at SJGforums.

Personally I think he's an escaped character from an RPG, trying desperately to understand this brave new world he's been thrust into.  Henceforth everything he talks about is related to gaming because he is Gaming.

"Dominus Nox - Fatbeard munchkin character incarnate".

The big question though is whether Steve Jackson is Muslim or not.