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Backers pissed at James M. and Dwimmermount

Started by Benoist, September 13, 2012, 01:53:12 PM

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I run with scissors

Quote from: TristramEvans;583757Then you could just bend over and take it.

Once again, Jim would have problems with that.  

IRWS

Settembrini

That is some good shit. So he needs god intervene so he is able to love his wife?

I try not to be vile in the interpretation, just trying to parse it.

ADD: Ah, maybe god has not sanctified the Dwimmermount project? Could that be? Also, how about Max Weber and catholics being lazy bums? Is there a connection? And what has analytic philosophy to do with it?
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Benoist

Quote from: I run with scissors;583755Yes it is. This was the other blog he kept between June 15, 2007 and September 5, 2008.

IRWS

Doesn't James M live in Toronto? He's American?

Endless Flight

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Quote from: Benoist;583764Doesn't James M live in Toronto? He's American?

He talked on Grognardia about growing up near Baltimore.

I run with scissors

Quote from: Benoist;583764Doesn't James M live in Toronto? He's American?

Yes. He's talked about how he went to Canada for grad school.

IRWS

Benoist


Endless Flight

He was far more interesting when he talked about finding gamers and shops near Baltimore in his youth than when he rambles on about Ares magazine.

EOTB

Quote from: Grymbok;583660Yeah, it doesn't really make any sense. Even if Maliszewski is using Autarch for print fulfilment, they didn't need to run the Kickstarter for him. Very odd decision, and it's very hard to see what Autarch get out of it.

I remember seeing discussions around that time that implied that Autarch took a 10% "Kickstarter management fee" (since James is in Canada, he can't run his own KS without forming a U.S. company and getting a U.S. bank account).  Kickstarter also takes 10%, but if you think 80% of what you'll get on Kickstarter is a bigger $ than 90-odd% of Indiegogo, it becomes a win-win for both parties if it goes smoothly.

Which didn't happen, and the contract between Autarch and James was dumb for  Autarch, who remains responsible for fulfillment in the eyes of KS.
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Quote from: I run with scissors;583746My point was only addressing that this was a gamer, and in my experience gamers tend to feel running a company is nothing but a piece of cake.

I watch too much food porn. If you think gamers are bad, you should see the people who open restaurants only because they like food. Not even because they like to cook.

Running a business isn't rocket science, but its a different skill set than being a creator.

Jacob Marley

Quote from: I run with scissors;583746True, and believe it or not I like the game. Yet ACKS came before the Dwimmermount (almost typed Dwimmerdust lol) Kickstarter. I can see doing it to get some good PR. However, the PR since then, I feel, has not been good. I would think twice about ever doing a Kickstarter run by Tavis and company. The reason? Jim and the epic fail of the Dwimmermount Kickstarter. I cannot be the only one who feels this way either.

Yes, the PR as a whole has not been good -- and you clearly have had a part in that -- but it also appears to be limited to a subset of people on a couple of message boards. Many (most?) of which, like myself, are fairly indifferent to the delays. Even in your post that I quoted, I get the impression that you would still fund Tavis (though with some hesitation). And you have shown a great deal of venom for Jim! So, I am not really sure that Tavis and company is in that bad of shape with regards to future Kickstarters.

Quote from: I run with scissors;583746My point was only addressing that this was a gamer, and in my experience gamers tend to feel running a company is nothing but a piece of cake.

Right and my point is simply that you can (and should) replace gamer with people and the statement still holds true.

_kent_

JMal has never been a difficult target, he is big softy who never bites back, so dragging the ass out of this pillorying is a little disgusting and the fact that a moderator here, Benoist, is effeminately trolling with passive coaxing is unprincipled and repulsive.

You can all let me know when you want to mock a tougher target, a tougher and more ridiculous target who at least bites back at small fry,

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Quote from: samovar;583750Wow, that's a good one. So he could've held his nose and voted for McCain despite being soft on dead baby parts, but outlawing torture was the final straw?

McCain voted *against* the ban on waterboarding.

One Horse Town

This is turning into Desborough country.

It kinda highlights my problem with kickstarters though.

Dan Vince

Quote from: ptingler;583714I think the observations that you've made could well apply to most people's dungeons and adventures. You'll see tons of posts on rpg forums by people who brag that they never run published modules, they always write their own original content and 9/10 of them probably are just generic dungeons with generic stuff on a generic map. Of course, for the most part that is fine as you don't have to be a superstar to have fun with a group of friends at a gaming table. However, don't then come on the internet and act like you're some superstar that runs super cool stuff that those hack published writers can't come close to touching you or proclaim that people who do run published modules are somehow inferior to your awesome home brew stuff.

I've never met these posters; I'll have to take your word for it. I myself have a few issues with published modules.

I enjoy drawing maps, placing monsters, traps, and treasures, and working out how the (e.g.) deserted cliff-dweller city got to be the way it is. I enjoy cooking up a town full of NPCs and working out how they relate to each other. I enjoy creating a mystery and scattering clues throughout the session. Why pay some strange man on the internet to have my fun for me?

Busy night. I'll try and write more later.

Tavis

I've been slow in posting - this is a busy time of year for me - but will be catching up with some older remarks and glad to answer new questions.

Quote from: EOTB;583775I remember seeing discussions around that time that implied that Autarch took a 10% "Kickstarter management fee" (since James is in Canada, he can't run his own KS without forming a U.S. company and getting a U.S. bank account).

No, the 10% figure you heard was probably that Kickstarter takes 5% and Amazon Payments takes 5%.

Quote from: EOTB;583775the contract between Autarch and James was dumb for  Autarch, who remains responsible for fulfillment in the eyes of KS.

Starting a RPG company is dumb. This is not a business you'd be in if you were solely focused on return on investment and never did things just because you were passionate about them. Kickstarter makes it a little less dumb because, if it turns out no one else cares, you're not as far in the hole at the point where this becomes clear.

Quote from: Jacob Marley;583778Yes, the PR as a whole has not been good -- and you clearly have had a part in that -- but it also appears to be limited to a subset of people on a couple of message boards. Many (most?) of which, like myself, are fairly indifferent to the delays.

It's hard to tell what's fire and what's smoke on message boards, but the subset of backers who've been pissed enough to contact me personally is less than 1%. If you're in that group, though, send me an email at tavis@autarch.co or call +1 (917) 749-6938.

Quote from: Jacob Marley;583778Even in your post that I quoted, I get the impression that you would still fund Tavis (though with some hesitation).

I would be sad to lose I Run With Scissors as a future customer. I say that not just in the usual happy-shiny way, but in the specific sense that anyone who does a Kickstarter is fortunate to have backers who will be glad if the project is completed but even gladder if it is not. Disappointing though this may be for some, it seems pretty likely at this point that Dwimmermount will be completed.
Kickstarting: Domains at War, mass combat for the Adventurer Conqueror King System. Developing:  Dwimmermount Playing with the New York Red Box. Blogging: occasional contributor to The Mule Abides.

misterguignol

Quote from: Tavis;583820I've been slow in posting - this is a busy time of year for me - but will be catching up with some older remarks and glad to answer new questions.



No, the 10% figure you heard was probably that Kickstarter takes 5% and Amazon Payments takes 5%.

I'm curious: what is Autarch's role in this if all the money was turned over to James in the end anyway?