Quote from: KenHR;583508You really are pissed no one reads your blog, aren't you?

:rotfl:

Quote from: Doctor Jest;583015if you would read what I wrote more carefully, I clearly said that unless the creator tells you explicitly that they have part of the project completed, you should not assume that's the case,

. . . wait for it . . .

Quote from: Benoist;583049There clearly was some over-hype going on. When you sell your dungeon as, paraphrasing, the 'legendary' Dwimmermount, the great OSR work, pinacle of what the 'movement' can produce, the thing 'everyone has been waiting for', this gives people peripherically reading the blog the impression that the dungeon has been run for a while and benefited from years of organic campaign building and great general acclaim over those years of existence. It just was not the case. It's not a cause per se, but it participates to some funders going "huh?" now, certainly.

Thank you for saving me the trouble of a reply.

Quote from: KenHR;583508You really are pissed no one reads your blog, aren't you?

My blog isn't particularly interesting so why would that piss me off?

Why did you delete it?

Quote from: 1989;583448No product on time --> James refunds the money already.

That's what a proper businessman does.

Kickstarter doesn't exist for "proper businessman". It's purpose is funding for amateur products.

Quote from: TristramEvans;583542Kickstarter doesn't exist for "proper businessman". It's purpose is funding for amateur products.

Or you could say, that's what a decent person does.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;583398All this thread has done is show me one more vile place on the internet I didn't know existed before.



Seriously, do people really get off on being so crude and negative all the time?  It is like some sort of weird addiction?

Hyperbolic much? LOL.

Everyone's just excited about the site's new troll. BT hasn't been around much lately.

Quote from: TristramEvans;583549Hyperbolic much? LOL.

Everyone's just excited about the site's new troll. BT hasn't been around much lately.

That comment wasn't about IRWS directly, but at YDIS and the commentary there, with stuff like:

* edgy user is edgy for including the word "fag" in his username
* "This crippled snowflake Ed Dove is R4′s number one cocksucker, accusing everyone who doesn’t sing the magnificent praises of lying and logical errors. The kid’s obviously a petty faggot,..."

* "Yeah, Ed Dove’s lips are wrapped around Raggi’s limp and pimply cock pretty tight, and that bitch is definitely gonna swallow. "

* About a dozen references to masturbation.


It was like I was shown into a room full of very angry 12 year olds.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;583556It was like I was shown into a room full of very angry 12 year olds.

Well, that accurately sums up every message board I've ever been to online.

Do you mean to say there are ones where people are nice, reasonable, pleasant and intelligent? I don't think I believe it!

Quote from: Sacrosanct;583472Looking at the posts in this thread and how it started, I'd say that discussion happened in spite of IRWS, not because of him.

Maybe I need to go re-read the OP, but it seems that he's the one that spawned this discussion.  Certainly, his posts on Autarch's forum are what drew attention of folks here, based on that OP.

Quote from: 1989;583478I wouldn't say that's true. I've read the whole thing, and enjoyed his summaries, complete with dates/links.

Rather, he may have gotten MORE attention by posting in such a flamboyant manner. It shows how angry he is.

If he had posted in a pedestrian manner, I may not have bothered. Can't read everything on the internet. Gotta vie for attention.

Good on IRWS for bringing this to the attention of the community.

Gotta agree.

Quote from: TristramEvans;583557Well, that accurately sums up every message board I've ever been to online.

Do you mean to say there are ones where people are nice, reasonable, pleasant and intelligent? I don't think I believe it!

Backyardchicken forums are full of nice people

http://grognardia.blogspot.co.uk/2011/10/thinkin-bout-dwimmermount.html

I guess there was fair warning; his "almost done" posts from 2011 were about his retro-clone house-rules also called Dwimmermount (and where pray tell are those?) while at that point a year ago he was just thinking about how to present things in the megadungeon.

QuoteMy model is Mike Carr's In Search of the Unknown -- all the rooms in the dungeon are described, but there's also a high degree of customizability, allowing each referee to place whatever monsters and treasures he wishes into many of the room.

And here's the golden way out. 20 rooms a level, and the rest, well, "you fill it in yourself" B1 style.

Quote from: Roger the GS;583567http://grognardia.blogspot.co.uk/2011/10/thinkin-bout-dwimmermount.html

I guess there was fair warning; his "almost done" posts from 2011 were about his retro-clone house-rules also called Dwimmermount (and where pray tell are those?) while at that point a year ago he was just thinking about how to present things in the megadungeon.



And here's the golden way out. 20 rooms a level, and the rest, well, "you fill it in yourself" B1 style.

Yup. I love that post. I linked to a bunch of them on my blog as well as here.

I'd love to ask him the status, but he has blocked me from commenting.

IRWS

Quote from: Roger the GS;583567http://grognardia.blogspot.co.uk/2011/10/thinkin-bout-dwimmermount.html

I guess there was fair warning; his "almost done" posts from 2011 were about his retro-clone house-rules also called Dwimmermount (and where pray tell are those?) while at that point a year ago he was just thinking about how to present things in the megadungeon.



And here's the golden way out. 20 rooms a level, and the rest, well, "you fill it in yourself" B1 style.

I'm not so sure his Grognardia post makes him look any better:

Quote from: GrognardiaI've also been giving a lot of thought to the publication of the Dwimmermount megadungeon. It's something I very much want to do and, judging from the comments and emails I get regularly, it's something a lot of people want to see. So, it's not so much a question of if or even when so much as how. I mean, the dungeon is done. I have all my notes and maps and other write-ups.

So, if the dungeon was done and it was turning his play copy into professional copy, why don't the backers have their original notes yet?  If the point was to incorporate feedback, wouldn't that be more likely to happen if a thousand backers were running the megadungeon in his notebook form?  

You don't need professional cartography to run a dungeon.  And there shouldn't be creative issues if the write-up is finished, other than deciding how you want it all to look.  But that's not the type of creativity issues I'm getting out of updates given by Tavis, along with the sporadic level releases.

This looks to me like he was not being honest, or else decided for a total rewrite (which again, partially invalidates the dungeon being "legendary"; perhaps the brand name of Dwimmermount was semi-legendary, but not the actual product).  Or perhaps he attempted puffery to a semi-ethical level and then couldn't get out in front of himself.

But you don't put a 2-month deadline on a creative project being delivered (you have to be done to send the PDF) unless you want people to think you are at the finish line already.

I don't particularly care one way or not, either, as I didn't back it.  But I think it is as close to a business case as the OSR will produce, that others can learn from, i.e. don't do it this way.