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Backers pissed at James M. and Dwimmermount

Started by Benoist, September 13, 2012, 01:53:12 PM

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I run with scissors

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Quote from: Settembrini;583282Oh thank you IRWS! Preach it. What happened to theRPGsite that the people bringing forth truth alongside obscenities are schooled by mods on their language? WHAT THE FUCK? Fuck yourselves and your double standards.

Remember this site is the site of THERPGPUNDIT?!?

The fucking rpgpundit. Blue Rose?

Anyway, IRWS, I sort of think I have seen your writing somewhere else. The dilligence of collecting links is what seperates you from theRPGPundit, and lets you maybe look a little more obsessed. but that is good is in this day and age. Because I told everyone 4 years ago about the Garand Douche in nice journalistic pieces. But then nobody understood who did not already understand. Now it is crystal clear, for everyone to see, the facts cannot be ignored. Although his list of participations is clearly not being adressed enough...

Apart from that:

Why anybody would defend the Grand Douche, the White Wolf fan and writer, who conveniently converted when OSR became fashionable...is beyond me.

Vacous someone said. Yes. Vacous. Pompous to begin with, but Grand Douche says as much.

If using links to back up my assertions makes me obsessed so be it. For me, I used it as evidence as I built my case. It is also helpful to have things that highlight my points.

I've been posting this stuff first at http://yourdungeonissuck.wordpress.com, because that was the place that felt appropriate to point this out. I was amazed with how little attention this got at other sites, but I kept it there. It was only when the goal posts were moved that I decided to go to http://www.autarch.co.

I'm here because it was finally mentioned here.

Are my feelings hurt due to the reactions I get? Heck no (happy no naughty swear words). In truth it has been instrumental in learning the psychology of most gamers. They rather live in a sunshine and lollipop lands rich on the scent of 1980's nostalgia, and pining away for the days when D&D could be found in any store.

As for the stockholm syndrome that seems to grab most gamers, that is what surprised me. Jim has taken the money, and has lied to his backers by not being open about the delays. He has stuck Autarch with a bad set of issues. Still, all blame rolls off of him, and on to others who choose to to speak up. If you choose to take a more confronting style, it is even more fascinating to see the reaction.

Oh well, I will remain the unintelligent poster, and Jim can still work his con.

IRWS

I run with scissors

Quote from: Settembrini;583283And you other morons, who do not see that this is not about IRWS hurt feelings re: his money.

He propably signed up BECAUSE he expected things to go awry. But then, Jimmie "Ventrue" Mal could have delivered. But he did not. In a way, IRWS BET REAL money on the gut feeling that J M is a pompous fraudulent (intellectually dishonest of the proven 7th degree, if economically i.e. criminally fraudulent, we will see soon) piece of OSR tainting aggrandiosity!

And JM was not able to convince us otherwise

What a very astute observation you have. This is precisely what went on. I backed this because after seeing what has gone on with Petty Gods (hint, which is nothing), I figured what the hell, place the bet. For me, I figured this could one of three ways:

1. It would not get backed.
2. It would get backed and it would come out on time due to a company running the whole thing.
3. Jim would flame out.

I did not suspect that:

Quoteand second by the fact that our contract with Grognardia Games had us manage the Kickstarter process and then turn over all of the funds collected and the responsibility for fulfilling the backer rewards. The project management role I'm doing now is unpaid and unplanned. That said, even if James has at times overestimated how quickly he will be able to fulfill his promises, I don't doubt he is committed to doing so. The continuing progress on level drafts is, for me, evidence enough that he's still working to deliver the dungeon as originally projected.

Was the case.

In the end, I placed a bet. Are my feelings hurt? No.

Still in this hobby, it is easier to attack the messenger than read the message. Gamers are funny.

IRWS

Settembrini

Keep getting the truth out there. I laughed really hard at the Retrograde thing.

How are things with Indiegogo and the LoFTP things? I remembered some discussion here that sorta seemed to attack the poor Raggi quite strongly.
If there can\'t be a TPK against the will of the players it\'s not an RPG.- Pierce Inverarity

I run with scissors

Quote from: Settembrini;583292Keep getting the truth out there. I laughed really hard at the Retrograde thing.

How are things with Indiegogo and the LoFTP things? I remembered some discussion here that sorta seemed to attack the poor Raggi quite strongly.

Thanks. I will admit one of the benefits of all this, has been Dwimmerdust and my Retro Retro parody. For me this is fun. It is also time that someone begins titling at the windmills that is the OSR'ers

IRWS

The Butcher

Quote from: I run with scissors;583286I've been posting this stuff first at http://yourdungeonissuck.wordpress.com,

Wait, you're the YDIS guy? And you bought into James Malizewski's Dwimmermount Kickstarter?

Allow me to savour (with English spelling, like a proper douche) the irony of it.

Anyway, good job at YDIS. I'm generally unimpressed by nerds trying to look smarter than other nerds (see: Kent), but that's some funny stuff.

I run with scissors

Quote from: The Butcher;583299Wait, you're the YDIS guy? And you bought into James Malizewski's Dwimmermount Kickstarter?

Allow me to savour (with English spelling, like a proper douche) the irony of it.

Anyway, good job at YDIS. I'm generally unimpressed by nerds trying to look smarter than other nerds (see: Kent), but that's some funny stuff.

No I am not the one behind YDIS, I am just a commentator their.

As I mentioned already, placed a bought in because I decided to put my money where my mouth is. I thought Jim was going to implode. The only way I could see it, was to pay to play. Why is this so hard to understand?

If he succeeded, I would get to see Dwimmermount and see what the fuss was about. If he failed, then I could have a seat for that.

I had the cash, and placed a beat. No big deal.

IRWS

Endless Flight

Did the guy really change his phone number? LOL

Settembrini

Quote from: I run with scissors;583290What a very astute observation you have. This is precisely what went on. I backed this because after seeing what has gone on with Petty Gods (hint, which is nothing), I figured what the hell, place the bet. For me, I figured this could one of three ways:

1. It would not get backed.
2. It would get backed and it would come out on time due to a company running the whole thing.
3. Jim would flame out.

IRWS

Hah! A compliment online, whoda thunk. Now let me use my observational powers one more time:

From my secret masonic mind reading capabilities I gather...

The Grand Douche is

a) suffering from a depressive disorder that influences his working behaviour with a regular procrastination strategy as one outlet. the depressive disorder would clearly have a narcicisst (sp?) flavour, going back and forth between overstated self image and despair at those times when reality is seen in the mirror. Very common bourgeois illness. I would pity him, but the narcicisst bent makes it hard to feel sympathy. Also his wall of apropriate words...engrained bouge lying has become second nature to him. Hard to feel sympathy, but he probably is indeed ill.

or

b) he is a smart fuck who played everyone including tavis and the osr and now is playing Panzerblitz with strippers on Maui on fools gold.
If there can\'t be a TPK against the will of the players it\'s not an RPG.- Pierce Inverarity

The Butcher

Quote from: I run with scissors;583301No I am not the one behind YDIS, I am just a commentator their.

As I mentioned already, placed a bought in because I decided to put my money where my mouth is. I thought Jim was going to implode. The only way I could see it, was to pay to play. Why is this so hard to understand?

If he succeeded, I would get to see Dwimmermount and see what the fuss was about. If he failed, then I could have a seat for that.

I had the cash, and placed a beat. No big deal.

IRWS

Oh, OK. I was hoping you were the YDIS guy.

Whoever he is, though, he's really bought into the anti-Malizewski thing.

Still, I don't see how you need to buy in to "have a seat". Other than the e-mails, those who didn't contribute are getting the same seats to the meltdown as everyone else.

Quote from: Settembrini;583317The Grand Douche

I hope you realize the irony in you, of all people, the most verbose and pretentious grumpy neckbeard ever, saddling someone with this title.

Quote from: Settembrini;583317a) suffering from a depressive disorder that influences his working behaviour with a regular procrastination strategy as one outlet. the depressive disorder would clearly have a narcicisst (sp?) flavour, going back and forth between overstated self image and despair at those times when reality is seen in the mirror. Very common bourgeois illness. I would pity him, but the narcicisst bent makes it hard to feel sympathy. Also his wall of apropriate words...engrained bouge lying has become second nature to him. Hard to feel sympathy, but he probably is indeed ill.

Internet psychiatric diagnoses. Really? There should be a law (like Godwin's) against this.

As a buyer, I'm not exactly thrilled about the situation either, but this is uninspired trollery at best, and outright offensive at worst. I'm sure you can do better with your big ol' vocabulary and your peculiar German sense of humor.

Quote from: Settembrini;583317b) he is a smart fuck who played everyone including tavis and the osr and now is playing Panzerblitz with strippers on Maui on fools gold.

This one made me chuckle, though. Good job.

I run with scissors

Quote from: The Butcher;583346Oh, OK. I was hoping you were the YDIS guy.

Nah, I am much of a dick. :)

QuoteWhoever he is, though, he's really bought into the anti-Malizewski thing.

There is nothing to buy in, Jim is ripe for lampoon, and Jim is just the latest in a long line of OSR'ers who have over promised, and under delivered. Call it the sin of hubris.

QuoteStill, I don't see how you need to buy in to "have a seat". Other than the e-mails, those who didn't contribute are getting the same seats to the meltdown as everyone else.

Because as a backer you get access to all of it. It was only because I posted the backer only emails that this is out in the open.


IRWS

I run with scissors

Quote from: Settembrini;583317Hah! A compliment online, whoda thunk. Now let me use my observational powers one more time:

From my secret masonic mind reading capabilities I gather...

The Grand Douche is

a) suffering from a depressive disorder that influences his working behaviour with a regular procrastination strategy as one outlet. the depressive disorder would clearly have a narcicisst (sp?) flavour, going back and forth between overstated self image and despair at those times when reality is seen in the mirror. Very common bourgeois illness. I would pity him, but the narcicisst bent makes it hard to feel sympathy. Also his wall of apropriate words...engrained bouge lying has become second nature to him. Hard to feel sympathy, but he probably is indeed ill.

or

b) he is a smart fuck who played everyone including tavis and the osr and now is playing Panzerblitz with strippers on Maui on fools gold.

To be honest I think it is a simple case of someone going in with his eyes wide shut and not realizing that as soon as he took the money, people were going to expect to get what they paid for. I will give you, family health issues is one thing, but to use that as a excuse and still churn out endless reams of naval gazing is another.

Petty Gods is one thing, and he got all of that stuff for free. It is another thing to have to produce Dwimmermount.

Still back in October he seemed to be nearing completion:

http://grognardia.blogspot.com/2011/10/getting-there.html
http://grognardia.blogspot.com/2011/10/goblinoids-of-dwimmermount.html
http://grognardia.blogspot.com/2011/10/table-of-contents.html

I mean looking at that, one would be left with the impression that getting out the dungeon in the time frame promised would be easy.

Still all in all, I think "A" is closer to it.

IRWS

1989

The honourable thing to do would be to refund all money, and restart the Kickstarter when the manuscript is complete.

I run with scissors

Quote from: 1989;583358The honourable thing to do would be to refund all money, and restart the Kickstarter when the manuscript is complete.

You would think so, but as Tavis mentioned:

Quoteour contract with Grognardia Games had us manage the Kickstarter process and then turn over all of the funds collected and the responsibility for fulfilling the backer rewards. The project management role I'm doing now is unpaid and unplanned.

Kinda of hard to turn over money when Jim has it. He has proven to not be trust worthy in all of this.

IRWS

1989

I mean, James should do the honourable thing and refund all the money.

Justin Alexander

Quote from: I run with scissors;583231When did we learn that this project was up a creek? Around 8/21. We actually started learning anything, 9/9.

At this point, I think we're forced to conclude that I Run With Scissors is a lying sack of shit. Here's the reality:

June 4th -- An update is posted explaining that the project is going to be delayed. This is the point where we know things are "up a creek", two and a half months before Scissors claims it happened.

July 6th -- Backers got an update on where James was at in the writing process. (Along with access to the current drafts.)

August 10th -- Tavis posts an update laying out a new plan of action, including new deadlines that they're aiming to hit.

According to Scissors, the only reason the August 10th post exists is because the shitstorm had been raised. But this is untrue: Scissors doesn't start raising the shitstorm on Autarch's forums until September 1st. Nothing is posted to Your Dungeon Is Suck until September 6th.

So unless I Poked My Brains Out With Scissors is accusing Tavis of having a time machine, he's full of shit.

Now, admittedly, if Tavis actually does have a time machine then we would have to conclude that James never finishes the manuscript. (Because if he had, Tavis could just go back to June and deliver it on time.) That would be a worrisome revelation.

But I think it more likely that Scissors is just a lying sack of shit and a troll.
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