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Shhhhh!  I want to see if their ringer can figure it out!  

That spells that once again, you're trying to make one thread into a different thread.  The thread you're TRYING to post into has been closed.  So if you feel that the conversation needed to continue, you should try your luck with starting a new thread.  

But for your information, nobody here has presented Premise #1 as having any factual basis.  It is clearly a false premise.  It doesn't mean that your conclusion is wrong (in fact, your conclusion is correct) but this isn't really the place to discuss that.

Quote from: deadDMwalking;578817That spells that once again, you're trying to make one thread into a different thread.  The thread you're TRYING to post into has been closed.  So if you feel that the conversation needed to continue, you should try your luck with starting a new thread.  

But for your information, nobody here has presented Premise #1 as having any factual basis.  It is clearly a false premise.  It doesn't mean that your conclusion is wrong (in fact, your conclusion is correct) but this isn't really the place to discuss that.

Actually, I am just using a current discussion to demonstrate a point.  And since you aren't a moderator here, you can take your suggestion and shove it up your ass.

Because this relentless call for 'logic' from the group that absolutely refuses to adhere to it is one of the things that I noticed with the recent invasion.  It seems rather endemic to the internet as a whole, but particularly highlighted here.  The ones who scream about "logic" or "maturity" or how they are being treated are usually the ones that have no concept as to how any of those things work or how to apply them to a conversation.  Regardless of physical age, these folks are usually mired in a high school-ish mentality, and frequently display other traits of 'only child syndrome'.  Throwing a big enough fit will get them their way, for example, or considering their own (often ill-formed) opinions as irrefutable facts.

But, if you think your stalling tactics will work, I can always start another thread so you can all pitch a fit and look like sobbing little assholes over there instead.

EDIT:  Here you go, shitburger.

Touhou...now Hidamari Sketch...likes 3e.

Only one place could breed such a gamer, and I haven't been there in years.

This thread is troll bait, but I'll take it anyways.

What I learned from this is that people are stupid. Many of the locals demanded evidence, were given that evidence, and then chose to ignore it or dismiss it for increasingly illogical reasons which in turn made the entire exchange a clusterfuck.

This is the part where you all call me a Denner and insist I am a raincoat clad autist with OCD and an avian oriented bestiality fetish but I don't really identify with the Den either.

Sure they're right about Fighters sucking a giant barrel of cocks, were mostly right about the Bone Devil thing, and were right about the whole out of combat utility thing but all of those points are so simple and basic you get no points for getting them right, only stand to lose many points if you get them wrong.

When it comes to the more advanced stuff the Den fucks that up just as often, and so I'm not on either side because I hate idiots on principle and the Den is not on my level.

Everything else that has happened was very standard, particularly the parts where the weak players ran like little bitches the instant they were forced to prove their claims or say anything concrete which is why the Bone Devil conflict only lasted until first contact was made... then the party immediately suicided and the player ragequit (and later made this thread). And all over something that should have been very easy to begin with... after all, at those levels you should be fighting 2-4 or more Bone Devils at a time multiple times in a day - not just one the entire day.

Despite being the same tired foolishness I've seen many different times from many different places it was at least mildly entertaining though, so at least it had some value.

As is though every time I see an exchange like this I look at my games, the games of the people around me, then back to the exchange and cannot help but think that they wouldn't last five minutes in my games, or in any serious game really.

Quote from: Mr. GC;583212This thread is troll bait, but I'll take it anyways.

You've got 3 posts and one of 'em bumped this shit back up to the front page.

Troll bait worked.

Quote from: beejazz;583216You've got 3 posts and one of 'em bumped this shit back up to the front page.

Troll bait worked.

I think "I'll take it anyways" covered that point.

Let me guess - standard low post count = meaningless poster argument? Or can you do better?

Quote from: Mr. GC;583219I think "I'll take it anyways" covered that point.

Let me guess - standard low post count = meaningless poster argument? Or can you do better?

Allow me to step in before Spike gets here:

Entertain me, motherfucker!

Normally, I would have given average marks for the first attempt, but the post is so fucking boring, I am going to have to dock you.  3/10.

Oh, the standard rate the "troll" while standing from an implied moral and mature high ground.

Come now Storm, I knew you were one of the useless posters from observing those earlier conflicts but could you at least attempt something that isn't trite and predictable?

Or would you rather just dodge the point some more?

You have one more chance to say something of substantive value. Do not disappoint me.

Creating a sock to continue this is so weaksauce.

Quote from: Mr. GC;583219I think "I'll take it anyways" covered that point.

Let me guess - standard low post count = meaningless poster argument? Or can you do better?

As of that post is was 33% of everything you ever said. More than that if we count by word or character. You can bitch about first impressions mattering, but they do.

But sure, if you want more: Your post was void of content, addressed a dead thread no one was interested in continuing, and did so in a deliberately inflammatory manner. If I actually have to explain to you why that looks like trolling, you must be very stupid. I don't buy that, of course. I'm still pretty sure you're just trolling here.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;583223Creating a sock to continue this is so weaksauce.

Sockpuppet? That's hilarious. I'm not Lord Mistborn, Frank, Kaelik, or any of the other Denners.

So anyone care to address my actual points or will the responses just be more of this foolishness?

Quote from: Mr. GC;583226So anyone care to address my actual points or will the responses just be more of this foolishness?

Quote from: Mr. GC;583212This is the part where you all call me a Denner and insist I am a raincoat clad autist with OCD and an avian oriented bestiality fetish but I don't really identify with the Den either.

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When it comes to the more advanced stuff the Den fucks that up just as often, and so I'm not on either side because I hate idiots on principle and the Den is not on my level.

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Despite being the same tired foolishness I've seen many different times from many different places it was at least mildly entertaining though, so at least it had some value.

Are not points. Have nothing to do with gaming. Are barely even about gaming in the meta sense. I cut some shit, but they were assertions. No premise. No conclusion. No argument. Which is why no one even cares enough to address them.

Also, it's been over a month. People on both sides of the argument are plain old done with that shit and no one is interested in what you have to say on the topic until you say anything interesting.

Out for now.

Quote from: Mr. GC;583226Sockpuppet? That's hilarious. I'm not Lord Mistborn, Frank, Kaelik, or any of the other Denners.

So anyone care to address my actual points or will the responses just be more of this foolishness?

Sorry, you can't come in here and say this:

QuoteWhat I learned from this is that people are stupid. Many of the locals demanded evidence, were given that evidence, and then chose to ignore it or dismiss it for increasingly illogical reasons which in turn made the entire exchange a clusterfuck.

and then try to claim some sort of moral high ground MGuy.  That statement shows that you're either blind (because half a dozen posters here kept showing actual page #s and references to the Denners that showed them how and why they were wrong) or just plain stupid, in which case no one is going to waste their time on someone so blatantly trolling.

Quote from: beejazz;583229Are not points. Have nothing to do with gaming. Are barely even about gaming in the meta sense. I cut some shit, but they were assertions. No premise. No conclusion. No argument. Which is why no one even cares enough to address them.

Of course those aren't points, you deliberately cut the points out of that post and then said that I made no points.

I see that I am being too subtle here, so allow me to spell it out for you:

Why is it regarded as acceptable that a class that does nothing but fight poorly exists?
Why is it regarded as acceptable that when people are given a chance to prove their claims they do everything possible to weasel out of doing so, and then claim victory in a new thread?
Why is it regarded as acceptable that certain people here pointedly avoid saying anything of substance or anything concrete because the instant they do, they know that they will be wrong and called on it?

Quote from: Sacrosanct;583230and then try to claim some sort of moral high ground MGuy.  That statement shows that you're either blind (because half a dozen posters here kept showing actual page #s and references to the Denners that showed them how and why they were wrong) or just plain stupid, in which case no one is going to waste their time on someone so blatantly trolling.

1: Not MGuy, perhaps you weren't listening when I said I wasn't any of the other Denners? Perhaps you conveniently ignored that I don't even identify with the Den because they're not on my level? You know, like you don't listen to everything else that does not support your viewpoint?
2: I'm not trying to claim any moral high ground, I'm simply mocking those that are making that claim in a hypocritical manner.