Forgotten Realms: The Sundering

crkrueger · September 02, 2012, 03:39:18 PM

Quote from: jadrax;579163They moved the time line on a lot, so its about 100 years (?) later. Taking a complicated setting and making it even more complex. Lots of people's favourite NPCs are now dead - Lots of people's least favourite NPC's are just fine.

A huge new land mass shows up... basically from another dimension and wipes out the continent that is already there.

A thing called the 'Spellplague' (a contender for the worst name ever) fucks over everybody's magic to explain why 4th edition wizards are so crap.

Loads of gods die, mainly from stupidity and acting somewhat out of character.

I think they also wiped out Candlekeep, which many realms fan's took as a massive 'Fuck You'. (as it's the name of the most popular FR forums).

4e itself was WotC flushing all previous customers down the toilet to the giggling of their marketing staff, the 4e Realms was WotC telling those customers it should have rather curbstomped them, then prison-raped the corpses.

Ronin · September 02, 2012, 05:16:01 PM

Quote from: jadrax;579163I think they also wiped out Candlekeep, which many realms fan's took as a massive 'Fuck You'. (as it's the name of the most popular FR forums).

Nice, did not know this. Haven't even really looked at the realms past 2nd ed.

James Gillen · September 03, 2012, 03:11:10 AM

Quote from: Blackhand;579115I skipped 4e FR, but my 3e is pretty similar to all the other crap.

Tell me, what happened to 4e FR that made it the Bizarro version?

As with the Time of Troubles needing to adjust the AD&D Realms to 2nd Edition standard (no assassins, for instance, so no Bhaal), 4E Realms was basically Wizards trying to fit the many-shaped pegs of Forgotten Realms into the round hole that was 4th Edition.

JG

Bloody Stupid Johnson · September 03, 2012, 07:50:40 AM

Quote from: jadrax;579163They moved the time line on a lot, so its about 100 years (?) later. Taking a complicated setting and making it even more complex. Lots of people's favourite NPCs are now dead - Lots of people's least favourite NPC's are just fine.

A huge new land mass shows up... basically from another dimension and wipes out the continent that is already there.

A thing called the 'Spellplague' (a contender for the worst name ever) fucks over everybody's magic to explain why 4th edition wizards are so crap.

Loads of gods die, mainly from stupidity and acting somewhat out of character.

I think they also wiped out Candlekeep, which many realms fan's took as a massive 'Fuck You'. (as it's the name of the most popular FR forums).

Don't forget Dragonborn and Tieflings both getting jammed into the setting as core races, both with revised fluff. Also now with ancient empires we've never heard of before, in a setting which already had e.g. detailed histories of every lost dwarven kingdom that was big enough to have its own mead hall.

CAJackson · September 03, 2012, 07:56:02 AM

Quote from: DKChannelBoredom;579088What strikes me with the names dropped as the people who will (re)do Forgotten Realms is that it's old people.

It seems to me, that the old target group will be very hard to please, no matter what, and that the younger group might not be as interested in a world created by weird seniors, whos cred is rather ancient, like Greenwood.

And is it just me or is "The Sundering" a really terrible name?

Old people? Who would you rather GM your session, someone with 30 years of gaming experience, or someone who has been doing it for only 5 years and can't spell? Greenwood is hardly ancient... in his 50's... But then, when I was 15, I thought 50 was old... You suggest they make changes to a gaming world without the input of the man who created it?

And the last bit: it's you.

DKChannelBoredom · September 03, 2012, 09:00:26 AM

Quote from: CAJackson;579339Old people? Who would you rather GM your session, someone with 30 years of gaming experience, or someone who has been doing it for only 5 years and can't spell? Greenwood is hardly ancient... in his 50's... But then, when I was 15, I thought 50 was old... You suggest they make changes to a gaming world without the input of the man who created it?

And the last bit: it's you.

Well, Ed Greenwood is hardly coming round my house to DM, is he?

I think it's swell that he is on board and apparenty/perhaps gets to do the stuff he intended to do with his own creation, but I still question who will be the target audience for this, and to what degree a guy like Greenwood, would mean anything to a younger audience?

And ok, that's fine by me. I owuld have voted for something less like: Forgotten Realms: The Bloodening.

Sacrosanct · September 03, 2012, 10:48:10 AM

Quote from: CAJackson;579339Old people? Who would you rather GM your session, someone with 30 years of gaming experience, or someone who has been doing it for only 5 years and can't spell?
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No kidding. It would be like saying, "Who wants a guy like Dean Koontz to be the author of a story. He's old. You should have Stephanie Meyer instead because of the target audience."

Dimitrios · September 03, 2012, 10:53:44 AM

Quote from: DKChannelBoredom;579088the younger group might not be as interested in a world created by weird seniors, whos cred is rather ancient, like Greenwood.

I suspect most costumers, regardless of age, just want something that doesn't suck and don't really care how old the designers are.

DKChannelBoredom · September 03, 2012, 12:48:42 PM

Quote from: Dimitrios;579356I suspect most costumers, regardless of age, just want something that doesn't suck and don't really care how old the designers are.

Absolutely, and hopefully this new/old team can do that.

CAJackson · September 04, 2012, 08:39:39 AM

Quote from: Sacrosanct;579353No kidding. It would be like saying, "Who wants a guy like Dean Koontz to be the author of a story. He's old. You should have Stephanie Meyer instead because of the target audience."

Well said... The idea that someone over 50 cannot create something appealing to an audience under 20 is ludicrous.

And... "The Bloodening" ?? Is that a joke? Anyway, corporate undoubtedly gets the call on the name of the "event".

Agreed that most fans don't really care who does the work, as long as the next version (both of the Realms and the game) is a step up...

Novastar · September 04, 2012, 10:41:06 AM

Quote from: Darwinism;579046Hell, NYT Best Seller's not that huge of an honor when Sue Grafton and Stephen King regularly get it.

Subjectively, you can make that arguement; how Stephanie Meyer has NYT Best Seller books (plural) boggles my mind, but Objectively, it's a hell of a milestone to hit, and trying to denigrate it only highlights your own ignorance to the reality of publishing.

I think anyone on this board, would love to be able to add to their resume: "NYT Best Selling Author".

Quote from: CAJackson;579660And... "The Bloodening" ?? Is that a joke? Anyway, corporate undoubtedly gets the call on the name of the "event".

Well, "The Dickening" is probably too much Truth In Advertising, for the corporate type.

CAJackson · September 05, 2012, 07:48:35 AM

Quote from: Novastar;579671Subjectively, you can make that arguement; how Stephanie Meyer has NYT Best Seller books (plural) boggles my mind, but Objectively, it's a hell of a milestone to hit, and trying to denigrate it only highlights your own ignorance to the reality of publishing.

I think anyone on this board, would love to be able to add to their resume: "NYT Best Selling Author".

Well, "The Dickening" is probably too much Truth In Advertising, for the corporate type.

Not to mention 50 Shades of Gray... but yeah, I wouldn't mind that line in my resume. Might not be an "honor" but the financial bonus and the message to publishers that you are marketable is priceless... Yet another reason WotC will never stop publishing RA Salvatore's books.

James Gillen · September 06, 2012, 03:17:22 AM

Quote from: CAJackson;579970Not to mention 50 Shades of Gray... but yeah, I wouldn't mind that line in my resume. Might not be an "honor" but the financial bonus and the message to publishers that you are marketable is priceless... Yet another reason WotC will never stop publishing RA Salvatore's books.

"50 Shades of Drow"

Justin Alexander · September 06, 2012, 04:29:19 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit;572846Apparently it'll take place with a series of novels Ed's writing called "The Sundering" (I think Salvatore is involved too?)

Just once I'd like to see someone execute a continuity rollback by just saying, "Ya know what? We goofed. That shit never happened and we're going back to before we made those stupid choices."

Instead everybody feels a need to execute some sort of big, complicated meta-event which only makes their continuity more knotted and ridiculous.

Or, if that's too much to ask, just have Mystra step out of the shower. Elminster says, "Wow. That was a weird fucking dream." And then move on.

James Gillen · September 07, 2012, 03:13:32 AM

Quote from: Justin Alexander;580294Just once I'd like to see someone execute a continuity rollback by just saying, "Ya know what? We goofed. That shit never happened and we're going back to before we made those stupid choices."

Oh, like DC Comics did at least twice.

JG