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[Thunderdome] The Wizard Vs Fighter Bullshit thing (MGuy vs Panzerkraken)

Started by Panzerkraken, August 09, 2012, 02:41:49 AM

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jeff37923

MGuy, only 4 of your bats are in position to engage Panzerkraken. They are also limited to a movement of 5 feet per round by the Solid Fog, remember?

Three of the Fiendish Dire Bats have attacked and missed Panzerkraken while the one that had attacked his pegasus has hit it again and used Smite Good to cause 9 points of damage. That bat has also screeched that pegasus "Tastes Like Good" and promises delicious eating.

Panzerkraken has hit the same bat for 23 points of damage. The pegasus, now engaged in battle, attacks the bat and hits as well for 7 points of damage. That bat will never bite a pegasus again as its corpse becomes dust and its spirit returns to Hell.

Attack rolls.
Miss chance roll.

I need to know your next moves, gentlemen.
"Meh."

gleichman

Quote from: Fiasco;575023Being a little disingenuous aren't we?

No, I'm asking what the RAW says about communication between players and if anyone does or does not follow the RAW on the subject.

Good lord, why is that such a big deal. You'd think I asked you about beating your girlfriend or something.


Quote from: Fiasco;575023As GM would I require a check for companions near each other? No. If they are 100plus feet away and in battle? Definitely.

Since you say "As GM", I take it then that your ruling above is not supported by RAW and is your personal gaming style.

How often are PCs in your campaigns 100+ feet apart? What DC modifier do you apply for Yelling?

Edit: Actually don't answer here- I'll take this to another thread to avoid cross talk in this one.
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deadDMwalking

Jeff,

Let us know if you mind us pointing out minutia of the rules - just trying to help with fairness, and while you may have already hit everything correctly, reminders aren't meant to be offensive.

In solid fog you're limited to 5-feet of movement, but that is not a 5-ft. step.  It counts as movement, and therefore provokes Attacks of Opportunity from anyone threatening.  

You may have already been aware and applied those attacks.  If so cool.  If you were not aware and would like more information on this, let me know and I'll point you to the relevant sections of the SRD.
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Panzerkraken

Quote from: jeff37923;575097MGuy, only 4 of your bats are in position to engage Panzerkraken. They are also limited to a movement of 5 feet per round by the Solid Fog, remember?

Three of the Fiendish Dire Bats have attacked and missed Panzerkraken while the one that had attacked his pegasus has hit it again and used Smite Good to cause 9 points of damage. That bat has also screeched that pegasus "Tastes Like Good" and promises delicious eating.

Panzerkraken has hit the same bat for 23 points of damage. The pegasus, now engaged in battle, attacks the bat and hits as well for 7 points of damage. That bat will never bite a pegasus again as its corpse becomes dust and its spirit returns to Hell.

Attack rolls.
Miss chance roll.

I need to know your next moves, gentlemen.

Still continuing to move.  If there's another bat within reach I'll attack it.

First Attack (1d100, 1d20+15, 1d8+1d6+6=[7], [18, 15], [3, 2, 6])
Second Attack (1d100, 1d20+10, 1d8+1d6+6=[70], [19, 10], [1, 2, 6])
Threatened Critical (1d20+15, 1d8+6=[20, 15], [3, 6])

Stupid miss chance.  I threatened a crit with both attacks, but one just flat misses.  This was why I got rid of miss chance for my games and just gave them AC bonuses instead.
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MGuy

Quote from: jeff37923;575097MGuy, only 4 of your bats are in position to engage Panzerkraken.
I just summoned three more at the beginning of my last turn at the bottom of the cloud (inside of it). He's been in the cloud for 3 turns now I believe going straight down, The ones I just summoned should've been able to move up and attack his pegasus on my last turn. They should also be in the way of his downward movement by now.

Also yes I believe he's right. Upon rereading Solid Fog he gets no 5ft steps so there should have been quite a few Attacks of Opportunity by now, at least 2 by the bat he just killed at the very least (since he spend both of his turns since engaging them moving). That is about 8 Opportunity Attacks (I believe) from the four that was engaging him the last two rounds.

In either case I will have them continue to attack and as I did last round I will continue to close in until I'm circling around the lower edge of the fog. Still giving them orders to kill the pegasus in whatever infernal words I can use.

Anyway here's the 8 missing Attack of Opportunity / Damage Rolls:

1d20+7 → [5,7] = (12)-->1d8+6 → [8,6] = (14)
1d20+7 → [3,7] = (10) -->1d8+6 → [1,6] = (7)
1d20+7 → [15,7] = (22) -->Miss 1d8+6 → [7,6] = (13)
1d20+7 → [13,7] = (20)-->1d8+6 → [7,6] = (13)
1d20+7 → [15,7] = (22)-->1d8+6 → [1,6] = (7)
1d20+7 → [14,7] = (21)-->1d8+6 → [4,6] = (10)
1d20+7 → [9,7] = (16)-->1d8+6 → [3,6] = (9)
1d20+7 → [14,7] = (21) -->Miss 1d8+6 → [8,6] = (14)
Miss Chance
1d20 → [20] = (20)
1d20 → [10] = (10)
1d20 → [15] = (15)
1d20 → [3] = (3)
1d20 → [15] = (15)
1d20 → [8] = (8)
1d20 → [7] = (7)
1d20 → [4] = (4)

There shouldn't be any for this turn because he shouldn't be able to move downward any farther with the dire bats I summoned below him. Also you already have the attack rolls of these bats from last turn so I don't have to reroll the attacks they already should have had. So here are the 7 rolls for this turn (since his passage down should be blocked, the one that couldn't reach him before should've caught up) without any potential flanking bonuses.

Attack/ Damage
1d20+7 → [14,7] = (21)--> 1d8+6 → [3,6] = (9)
1d20+7 → [1,7] = (8) -->Miss / Fumble1d8+6 → [7,6] = (13)
1d20+7 → [4,7] = (11)-->1d8+6 → [2,6] = (8)
1d20+7 → [14,7] = (21)-->1d8+6 → [7,6] = (13)
1d20+7 → [19,7] = (26)-->Miss 1d8+6 → [3,6] = (9)
1d20+7 → [8,7] = (15)--> 1d8+6 → [4,6] = (10)
1d20+7 → [15,7] = (22) --> Miss 1d8+6 → [8,6] = (14)

Miss Chance
1d20 → [14] = (14)
1d20 → [2] = (2)
1d20 → [7] = (7)
1d20 → [11] = (11)
1d20 → [1] = (1)
1d20 → [18] = (18)
1d20 → [2] = (2)
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Rum Cove

Out of curiosity - why was the Solid Fog said to be a problem for the Fighter's mount to remain flying and not for the flying bats?

MGuy

Quote from: Rum Cove;575291Out of curiosity - why was the Solid Fog said to be a problem for the Fighter's mount to remain flying and not for the flying bats?

Bats have good flying while the pegasus and my hippogriff have average. So the bats don't have a minimum movement they need to perform to stay up.
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jeff37923

"Meh."

Shane

Quote from: jeff37923;575306I'm done.

My life is more important to me.

Huh...? I must've missed something here. Shame, it was getting good.

gleichman

So... the GM just walked away from Thunderdome?

Pity no one took me up on my bet that this one would fall apart too. Dang. :(
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Rum Cove

Quote from: gleichman;575315Pity no one took me up on my bet that this one would fall apart too. Dang. :(

Does that mean you won?

Bedrockbrendan

Quote from: gleichman;575315So... the GM just walked away from Thunderdome?

Pity no one took me up on my bet that this one would fall apart too. Dang. :(

At least this one was developing some trajectory by the end though.

crkrueger

In this case, the rules are clear, no 5-ft step allowed in Solid Fog, so every 5ft movement does provoke an AoO when leaving a threatened square.

BTW, has everyone been applying the -2 hit and damage rolls? :D
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crkrueger

Crap, this one too, huh?  Well, my guess would be Jeff got tired of Mguy DMing himself.  Pointing out the rules of AoO are one thing, rolling for all of them before the call was made, was just dickform.

Still, it's clear at this point, unless the Fighter has some other means of flying, this one is done.  The never-ending squadron of bats are going to Smite the Pegasus into oblivion.

No surprise, however.  A one-on-one in 3.5 with a Wizard who both picks all the spells in his spellbook and the ones he has memorized that day knowing he is going to do a one-on-one?  This thing was over before it began.

BTW, was Mguy making concentration rolls for every summoning spell cast on Hippoback?
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Rum Cove

Quote from: CRKrueger;575326BTW, was Mguy making concentration rolls for every summoning spell cast on Hippoback?

Not without complaints.