Quote from: CRKrueger;558383A woman should be able to dress how she wants, look how she wants, act like she wants, where she wants, without having to think of being raped.  Likewise, as a cracker I should be able to walk any park at night in South Los Angeles without the homeboys and eses fighting over who gets to kill me, and they should be able to do the same thing in Chinatown, East Hollywood or Lancaster without getting shot.  This not being a perfect world, however, I try not to do that too often, and self-defense training should be something everyone considers.

Should . . . yeah.

You walk in a bad neighbourhood at night flaunting your money . . . don't be surprised if you're mugged. You were asking for it.

You walk around showing off your body . . . don't be surprised if something bad happens to you. You were asking for it. I'm not saying it's right. I'm saying, accept the advice as the truth.

It's just common sense. These women dress like this to show off, to get men's attention. It's no secret.

Finally, someone had the guts to say, hey, you're dressing like sluts. There was some cognitive dissonance in the minds of these women . . . "hey, society has come to the point, where, yes, I am allowed to dress like a slut . . . and, hey, it's true, I am dressing like a SLUT!" The truth hurts. They took offense. They want to dress like sluts, and not be labelled as such. They want to have their cake and eat it, too.

I'm in Canada, where this whole slutwalk thing originated.

That police officer was telling like it is, and giving prudent, commonsense advice, the same as a parent might give a child.

But, of course, the feminists, young, idealistic, and uneducated as they are, had to jump all over this, and take ombrage.

Same thing on RPGnet. Young, entitled, and uneducated.

Edit: I just looked at my avatar and noticed the irony.

Quote from: CRKrueger;558383A woman should be able to dress how she wants, look how she wants, act like she wants, where she wants, without having to think of being raped.  Likewise, as a cracker I should be able to walk any park at night in South Los Angeles without the homeboys and eses fighting over who gets to kill me, and they should be able to do the same thing in Chinatown, East Hollywood or Lancaster without getting shot.  This not being a perfect world, however, I try not to do that too often, and self-defense training should be something everyone considers.

What you should be able to do and what is prudent to do are two different things. In this world a woman has to watch her back. That sir is only prudent.

Quote from: Marleycat;558428What you should be able to do and what is prudent to do are two different things. In this world a woman has to watch her back. That sir is only prudent.

Exactly, and being prudent, or suggesting others should be prudent and take some responsibility for their own safety knowing other humans are dangerous isn't an "-ism".

Quote from: CRKrueger;558436Exactly, and being prudent, or suggesting others should be prudent and take some responsibility for their own safety knowing other humans are dangerous isn't an "-ism".

Exactamundo. You will notice there are no women that really participate in those threads? Ever wonder why.

Quote from: 1989;558420Should . . . yeah.

You walk in a bad neighbourhood at night flaunting your money . . . don't be surprised if you're mugged. You were asking for it.

You walk around showing off your body . . . don't be surprised if something bad happens to you. You were asking for it. I'm not saying it's right. I'm saying, accept the advice as the truth.

It's just common sense. These women dress like this to show off, to get men's attention. It's no secret.

Finally, someone had the guts to say, hey, you're dressing like sluts. There was some cognitive dissonance in the minds of these women . . . "hey, society has come to the point, where, yes, I am allowed to dress like a slut . . . and, hey, it's true, I am dressing like a SLUT!" The truth hurts. They took offense. They want to dress like sluts, and not be labelled as such. They want to have their cake and eat it, too.

...and how did we get from "teaching self defence to women is supporting rape", to "dressing in skimpy clothes is asking to be raped"? These do not follow at all.

The first is obviously nonsense, both men and women should learn self defence as a matter of course, many asian cultures have the right idea, teaching martial arts in schools. Yes that comes with a downside in that mouthbreathing bottom feeders are also taught it, but I feel overall its a positive.

The second is also nonsense. What is a slut? A woman who likes sex or dresses as though she likes sex? If it was a man he'd be lauded as a stud. A woman who isn't afraid to show her body off? More power to her, there's nothing immoral about a leg or a midriff, or even a nipple or vagina. This is doubly insulting as it implies men generally haven't the self restraint to resist raping women - what, is Canada an extremist Islamic enclave now?

"Sluts" my slablike buttocks.

I would further say that someone demented enough to actively consider a real physical sexual assault isn't going to give a damn whether or not a woman is wearing a miniskirt or her winter woollies, given the opportunity the opportunity will be taken, underlining once again that rape usually has fuck all to do with sexual attraction.

I had no idea that 1989 was actually an active member of the Taliban.

Tell me more of how women should be treated, 1989.

oh, wait, no, on second thought don't.  What I meant to say was "into my ignore list you go you disgusting little fuck, you shitstain on the internet, you living example of everything everyone thinks is wrong with gamers, you model example of creepy fatbeard".

Tell me what you really think, O, White Knight.

Well, this is the only place still talking about this really. Maybe it's time to move on.

Quote from: Marleycat;558437Exactamundo. You will notice there are no women that really participate in those threads? Ever wonder why.

There are women on those boards?  I mean, besides you?  

Who'd of thought?

Quote from: Marleycat;558428What you should be able to do and what is prudent to do are two different things. In this world a woman has to watch her back. That sir is only prudent.

In this world any individual has to watch his/her back, in different ways and for different reasons given the situation.

The problem with many people is the inability to accept that two things can be true at the same time. Becoming an easy target for a crime by acting irresponsibly doesn't justify the crime at all. The two things are even quite related: the former goes against the duty of responsibility that each one has towards himself regarding his well being; the latter is still a crime because each one is responsible for his own actions no matter what caused them. There is not space for "either, or" in these matters.

I remember the early '90s in New York City, when pamphlets advised you "not to look like a tourist". Looking around while holding a map, snapping pictures at fire hydrants, and gaping in awe at the Empire State Building could mark you as "an easy target for mugging".

Was this discrimination against tourists? No, it was only common sense. Was it a justification for muggers? No, mugging was still a crime. And no one ever organized "tourist pride" marches against this sane advice.

Exactly.

Quote from: Reckall;558505I remember the early '90s in New York City, when pamphlets advised you "not to look like a tourist". Looking around while holding a map, snapping pictures at fire hydrants, and gaping in awe at the Empire State Building could mark you as "an easy target for mugging".

Was this discrimination against tourists? No, it was only common sense. Was it a justification for muggers? No, mugging was still a crime. And no one ever organized "tourist pride" marches against this sane advice.

Which would matter if rapists primarily targeted hot girls in skimpy clothes. Which is not the case. Rape is not mugging, its done for entirely different reasons, and most rapes are committed upon women known to the rapist. Can we dispense with this "asking for it" idiocy now?

Quote from: The Traveller;558508Can we dispense with this "asking for it" idiocy now?

No one, except for a not totally sane individual, "asks" for something bad. Still, each one has responsibilities towards him/herself so that the bad doesn't happen. Can we now dispense with this "I do what I want and the World must submit to the way I want it to be!!!" childishness now? Because I have a secret to share with you: it will not.

Quote from: The Traveller;558508Which would matter if rapists primarily targeted hot girls in skimpy clothes. Which is not the case. Rape is not mugging, its done for entirely different reasons, and most rapes are committed upon women known to the rapist. Can we dispense with this "asking for it" idiocy now?

It's a figure of speech. Nobody asks for it. It means, you didn't take adequate precaution or heed advice/common sense.