Quote from: Ghost Whistler;556307Plenty of regular roleplayers want to discuss not just 'regular' roleplaying games but what you regard as story games.

No, "regular" doesn't describe the people, it describes the game.  When I'm saying "regular" I'm not just being folksy or something, I'm using the term as in "the regularity of games that fall within the Landmarks of what defines an RPG".

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Quote from: Ghost Whistler;556336Just not wherever.

No, obviously. You can't post porn on the Help forum. You can't post a political diatribe on the Gameplay and Design forum.

You can't make an off-topic post, in other words.  And that includes making posts about Monopoly, Hungry Hungry Hippos, My Life With Master, Parchesi/Sorry, Poison'd, RISK, and all other non-roleplaying games in the main RPG forum.

Oh, and since you brought up the subject of off-topic discussion; your sig and user title are an attempt to bring a political message, essentially an off-topic diatribe, to all forums.  Remove them. This is your only warning.

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Quote from: John Morrow;556338At the extremes, I agree the two are quite different, but there are games that attempt to blend the two, just as D&D 4e tried to blend elements from MMORPGs into a role-playing game.  Perhaps you should be moving D&D 4e discussions into Other Games, then, too?

I had given that some consideration back when 4e came up, but after spending time looking at the actual rules, my judgment was that the core of the game was fundamentally an RPG, albeit one that had been rendered near-useless by trying to mingle it with utterly failed concepts from Swine GNS Theory.

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I like 4e and I'm kind of sorry that didn't happen. The drama would have been legendary. It's not too late.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;556373I'm asking you to knock the abuse off, it isn't required, and it isn't welcome. Spare me the holier than thou attitude. This crap is pulled everytime someone makes a comment that you people don't like: you can't address it, you can't respond appropriately. You cry foul and throw abuse. Asking for a definition of terms in respect of what constitutes an rpg is perfectly reasonable, and not once has one been provided. Why isn't there a sticky on the rpg forum, for instance, and don't give me this 'it's pundit's site, he can do what he likes' because that isn't an answer, it's an excuse. I am not asking people to like play or even discuss 'story' games, I am asking people to respect those that do. I am telling you that shuffling threads around and provoking this silly 'pundit vs swine' paranoia is a complete waste of everyone's time, not least of all your/his own. What does it achieve? Has the rpg community taken any notice of this bizarre crusade?

Yes. That's what bothers you. People pay attention to me. They paid enough attention to me that it helped to destroy the legitimacy of the whole Theory movement.

QuoteDo people stop playing these games?

Not just that! People who would have ended up playing these games out of being manipulated into it have now been freed from ever having to, thanks to me. And that really pisses you off.

QuoteAll you are doing is hurting this website by making it look petulant and childish. If you want people to see it as one man's personal playground then expect to see very few visitors as a result of this banner ad, which is a waste of time and money.

You and your Swine ilk have been predicting the failure of everything I've attempted for the last 6 years now, and EVERY FUCKING TIME YOU'VE BEEN WRONG.

I just keep getting more relevant, better known, and more successful; and you keep losing.  
TheRPGsite has continued to consistently grow and has just now grown to the point we were forced to expand the number of threads-per-page because they were spilling off the first page.  

So suck it, bitch.

QuoteDiscussion of story games is important not for the simple minded reasons thrown in my face, but because any attempt at innovation in our hobby, successful or otherwise, is a good thing.

No. The attempt to redefine the hobby into oblivion, to make it into something it absolutely ISN'T in order to satisfy the lusts for power of a tiny group of self-styled intelligentsia is NOT a good thing.

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Quote from: Ghost Whistler;556382Good, that's precisely the point: I don't want threads shuffled anywhere unless it is absolutely obvious (discussing Magic the Gathering belongs in the other games forum quite clearly).

So if some idiot went around claiming that CCGs were the real way to do Roleplaying, and that roleplaying games were always meant to be CCGs but people were just too brain damaged to understand that, and started a movement of people who played CCGs but called them "roleplaying games', you would expect those threads about those CCGs to be moved to some other subforum, rather than end up taking over the forum of actual RPGs, wouldn't you?

Well, YOU probably wouldn't.

Actually, you probably would, but can't bring yourself to say it because I just said the opposite.

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I still have no idea what this has to do with the actual topic but it sure is entertaining.

Quote from: Marleycat;556450I still have no idea what this has to do with the actual topic but it sure is entertaining.

It's totally related. The War against Desborough made the excesses of RPGnet quite obvious to a new segment of its users who had not previously broken off from the place, they checked out the RPG Site and found it's actually not the hellhole some people portray it as on other sites.

Discussion ensues about bringing more visibility to the site, banner included. This is what pisses off Ghost Whistler, fundamentally, so he disrupts the thread with his bullshit, either to use it as a platform to create a shitstorm involving the new users of the site, or to drive them away by making us look bad.

Either way, that's sabotage, pure and simple, as far as I'm concerned.

Quote from: RPGPundit;556438"the regularity of games that fall within the Landmarks of what defines an RPG".

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Which means what?

Quote from: RPGPundit;556440No, obviously. You can't post porn on the Help forum.
Oh, and since you brought up the subject of off-topic discussion; your sig and user title are an attempt to bring a political message, essentially an off-topic diatribe, to all forums.  Remove them. This is your only warning.

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That's not really the same thing now is it.
Any reason you're asking me to change my details months after I edited them? If the rules prohibit politically charged signatures and the like that's entirely fine, but I don't think I'm the only one with a political title and/or sig am i?

Quote from: RPGPundit;556446Yes. That's what bothers you. People pay attention to me.

You can do better than this.

Quote from: RPGPundit;556448So if some idiot went around claiming that CCGs were the real way to do Roleplaying,
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They'd be pretty stupid. There really isn't an equivalence.

Quote from: Marleycat;556450I still have no idea what this has to do with the actual topic but it sure is entertaining.

Conversation evolves.

Quote from: Benoist;556452It's totally related. The War against Desborough made the excesses of RPGnet quite obvious to a new segment of its users who had not previously broken off from the place, they checked out the RPG Site and found it's actually not the hellhole some people portray it as on other sites.

Discussion ensues about bringing more visibility to the site, banner included. This is what pisses off Ghost Whistler, fundamentally, so he disrupts the thread with his bullshit, either to use it as a platform to create a shitstorm involving the new users of the site, or to drive them away by making us look bad.

Either way, that's sabotage, pure and simple, as far as I'm concerned.

Yes, a site i've been a member of for several years I now want to make look bad, inexplicably.
Why on earth would you think I don't want new users here? What possible sane reason could compel you to think that?

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;556458Yes, a site i've been a member of for several years I now want to make look bad, inexplicably.
Why on earth would you think I don't want new users here? What possible sane reason could compel you to think that?

It's not like your bitching and whining is anything new to any regular here. You have been doing this for years. This is just your latest attempt at arguing your bullshit and create as much drama as possible in the process.

Quote from: Benoist;556462It's not like your bitching and whining is anything new to any regular here. You have been doing this for years. This is just your latest attempt at arguing your bullshit and create as much drama as possible in the process.

Indeed. I have been entirely consistent in my criticism of this story vs rpg nonsense - and it is nonsense. It wastes everyone's time, including the pundit who doesn't need to piss about shuffling posts around. This site will not suffer for it.  In fact I have been not just consistent but quite moderate. Not once have I shown him the kind of silly disrespect you've shown here with abuse and passive aggressive schoolgirl histrionics when plenty of other people have done.
While there are undoubtedly many that agree with his views, which is perfectly fine, there are also plenty, out there, that think he's full of shit. So what action is going to harm this site more: taking a more relaxed view toward certain types of rpg, or continuing a crusade that noone else cares about while posting a banner ad on the one site guaranteed to flip out about it. What sort of new players do you want? People that are pissed off about this provocation and want to challenge him and us on it, or people that want to discuss games and ideas about games?
Now you can continue your paranoid little crusade against me and believe that I genuinely want this site to fail or to turn away new players, or that I'm secretly John Q Storygamer in disguise, or you can wake up to yourself.
If you even want to have a Story game forum, then at least have the common sense to define your terms as I have said abvout five million times, and yet you can't even do that. So what do you think a newbie to this site is going to think if he wants to post about Apocalypse World or whatever. There's no sticky warning him against his crime. End result he gets pissed off and messed about and for what?

I'm more amused at the invocation of Freedom of Speech, on a privately-owned forum hosted in a foreign country.

That it's being invoked by a Brit, who's Free Speech is more seriously curtailed than mine as an American, is again, highly amusing.

The thing is, you know your dance here is total bullshit designed to create as much drama as possible to disrupt the site and turn people against the Pundit's policy and/or away from this place, otherwise you would not have deleted that post my previous answer to you was quoting. You're not very good at this GW, are you?