The War Against Desborough and Mongoose Publishing

The Yann Waters · July 03, 2012, 01:46:59 PM

Quote from: Spike;555980Likewise, I've never seen a White Wolf thread removed, despite the Pundit's undying hatred for their creators. Hell, I'm pretty sure Noblis is still an RPG section game... (countdown until Grimgent post in 5....4....)

Nobilis and the Wolf Wolf games may phrase their advice for the GM and players in narrative terms, but they're still "traditional" as far as the actual gameplay is concerned. I don't think there's ever been any real doubt on whether they count as RPGs or not: merely talking about "stories" instead of "scenarios" isn't quite enough for dismissal.

jeff37923 · July 03, 2012, 01:48:22 PM

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;555993Arguing over inane self imposed private definitions seems to be complete intellectual masturbation.

Yet it seems to be exactly what you are doing.

Spike · July 03, 2012, 01:48:25 PM

Yer slacking, Grimgent. I posted about Noblis like...an hour ago, at least.

Marleycat · July 03, 2012, 01:49:52 PM

Quote from: GrimGent;555996Nobilis and the Wolf Wolf games may phrase their advice for the GM and players in narrative terms, but they're still "traditional" as far as the actual gameplay is concerned. I don't think there's ever been any real doubt on whether they count as RPGs or not: merely talking about "stories" instead of "scenarios" isn't quite enough for dismissal.

I concur.

DKChannelBoredom · July 03, 2012, 01:50:25 PM

Quote from: Benoist;555986It's alright though. You can still talk about role playing games if you want to. Unless you're not interested in RPGs themselves, in which case, maybe you ought to register to story-games.com instead?

yeah yeah, no need to go all passive-aggressive. It's not a big thing for me and yes, I'm interested in rpg's and discussing them here, from Call over LotFP to Over the Edge and Ars Magica. Really. It's just the beaten dead horse of "this and that isn't an rpg, 'cause we said so" that bugs me. But as it has been thoroughly beaten, I'll leave it at that.

The Traveller · July 03, 2012, 01:55:19 PM

Quote from: J Arcane;555994The storygamers have been given their chances, on site after site, and this was the result every fucking time.

The policy exists for that reason. It has nothing to do with the Pundit's grudge, it has to do with the fact that even on this site, they were once allowed free reign of the main form, and they did exactly what I just fucking described, just like they do everywhere else.

This. They can't even keep it out of this unrelated thread. These folks ain't right.

Spike · July 03, 2012, 01:55:58 PM

Quote from: Marleycat;555999I concur.

You obviously missed where I actually summoned a particular poster... like a wizard.

I swear to only use my power for evil.

crkrueger · July 03, 2012, 01:56:19 PM

Quote from: DKChannelBoredom;556000"this and that isn't an rpg, 'cause we said so" that bugs me.

Good then you shouldn't have a problem with most of the games moved there as their mechanics clearly identify them as a different class of game.

One Horse Town · July 03, 2012, 01:57:56 PM

For what it's worth i think the 'no agendas' thing is nonsense as well. I also think it was a reaction to what this thread was originally about rather than a description of the site as a whole.

crkrueger · July 03, 2012, 01:59:10 PM

Well, no political or social agendas is closer to the mark. This whole site is one big gaming agenda, really.

DKChannelBoredom · July 03, 2012, 02:02:32 PM

Quote from: CRKrueger;556006Good then you shouldn't have a problem with most of the games moved there as their mechanics clearly identify them as a different class of game.

Heh - true, and it's not that I don't think that there's games that belong there, story-games or whatever. But Dogs in the Vineyard fx, not only has it got characters, missions, a GM (called a GM!), character creation and the use of all the classic rpg dice, but it also has "A role-playing game" written on the cover. But hey - it's ok - I'm not a big fan of it.

Benoist · July 03, 2012, 02:10:16 PM

Quote from: DKChannelBoredom;556009Heh - true, and it's not that I don't think that there's games that belong there, story-games or whatever. But Dogs in the Vineyard fx, not only has it got characters, missions, a GM (called a GM!), character creation and the use of all the classic rpg dice, but it also has "A role-playing game" written on the cover. But hey - it's ok - I'm not a big fan of it.

OD&D used inches for movement, dice and the like, even had a default hex map for its wilderness, talked about "campaigns" (called campaigns!), had a referee (called a referee!) and talked about men-at-arms and objectives, and had "Rules for fantastic medieval wargames; campaigns playable with paper and pencil and miniatures figures" on its cover! Obviously a wargame.

DKChannelBoredom · July 03, 2012, 02:15:24 PM

Quote from: Benoist;556010OD&D used inches for movement, dice and the like, even had a default hex map for its wilderness, talked about "campaigns" (called campaigns!), had a referee (called a referee!) and talked about men-at-arms and objectives, and had "Rules for fantastic medieval wargames; campaigns playable with paper and pencil and miniatures figures" on its cover! Obviously a wargame.

If you say so, I'm not a very old wargamer.

jeff37923 · July 03, 2012, 02:30:41 PM

Quote from: DKChannelBoredom;556012If you say so, I'm not a very old wargamer.

But this is a very old arguement.

jhkim · July 03, 2012, 02:36:46 PM

Quote from: Benoist;555986If the fact that a storygame ought to be talked about in the Other Games section of the site stops you from talking about it at all, then maybe you aren't that interested in talking about the game in the first place?

It's alright though. You can still talk about role playing games if you want to. Unless you're not interested in RPGs themselves, in which case, maybe you ought to register to story-games.com instead?

I'm registered on both story-games.com and here. I play a fairly wide range of RPGs. I comment sometimes in the Other Games section here, but being shunted off to a lower-traffic side forum does discourage discussion. I don't check the Other Games forum that often, and story games discussions there don't go very far.

It's pretty obvious to me that shunting certain games off into a side forum discourages discussion. Pundit commented about this a while ago when RPGnet folded out D&D and Fantasy D20 into a separate forum, calling it an anti-D&D move.