This thread should be locked; the original topic has run its course,  and whatever the fuck else we're talking about should be in its own thread.

Quote from: Benoist;555943This place is not RPGnet, nor does it want to be. It is an alternative to RPGnet for people who enjoy role playing games and want to talk about actual gaming and games without the Tangency bullshit, the Swinish pretention that RPGs are art meant to explore the depth of whatever the fuck makes you sound cool and intellectual these days, without the Forgist theory bullshit that wants to construe RPGs as things they are not to promote the storywank of bat penis experts, without all the wank of failed authors who should write fucking books instead of fucking up popular RPGs to change them into something they're not.

This is the forum for free speech about RPG's!...except if someone Pundit decided he was in a heroic internet nerdfight with was ever involved in the game at any point, like maybe they shared a lift with a guy who saw a photo of Vincent Baker once. Then it's a swiney storygame, because reasons.

Yeh, apologies to all for my last spate of posts on this thread.  Neither the time nor the place to get into a pissing match like that.

Quote from: Ladybird;555959This is the forum for free speech about RPG's!...except if someone Pundit decided he was in a heroic internet nerdfight with was ever involved in the game at any point, like maybe they shared a lift with a guy who saw a photo of Vincent Baker once. Then it's a swiney storygame, because reasons.

And yet, despite all those "evil silly reasons only the Pundit cares about," you STILL can talk about it on the RPG Site. Funny how that free speech thing works in practice, isn't it?

Actually, Ladybird is objectively wrong as we can freely talk about, in the RPG section of the forum, such games as Eclipse Phase and the aweful Gamma World reboot... both of which involved Bruce Baugh, who is one of the Pundit's nerdfight opponents.

Likewise, I've never seen a White Wolf thread removed, despite the Pundit's undying hatred for their creators.  Hell, I'm pretty sure Noblis is still an RPG section game... (countdown until Grimgent post in 5....4....)

Quote from: Gib;555956This thread should be locked; the original topic has run its course,  and whatever the fuck else we're talking about should be in its own thread.

Only less than 30 more posts to go though..

Quote from: Benoist;555963And yet, despite all those "evil silly reasons only the Pundit cares about," you STILL can talk about it on the RPG Site. Funny how that free speech thing works in practice, isn't it?

Yeah, but do you really want to talk about a roleplaying game you like, in a place where you cannot do it in the "roleplaying games" forum, because it's not deemed worthy of being an rpg?

I know it'sPunditssiteandhecandowhateverhewantsyadayada and by now I don't think people would really want to discuss these games around here, but that's kinda sad - a lot of people would gladly talk about/play for example Apocalypse World side by side with D&D and Call, and do it without preaching or forcing their issues on others.

Quote from: DKChannelBoredom;555983Yeah, but do you really want to talk about a roleplaying game you like, in a place where you cannot do it in the "roleplaying games" forum, because it's not deemed worthy of being an rpg?

I know it'sPunditssiteandhecandowhateverhewantsyadayada and by now I don't think people would really want to discuss these games around here, but that's kinda sad - a lot of people would gladly talk about/play for example Apocalypse World side by side with D&D and Call, and do it without preaching or forcing their issues on others.

If the fact that a storygame ought to be talked about in the Other Games section of the site stops you from talking about it at all, then maybe you aren't that interested in talking about the game in the first place?

It's alright though. You can still talk about role playing games if you want to. Unless you're not interested in RPGs themselves, in which case, maybe you ought to register to story-games.com instead?

This place is about talking about actual role playing games and actual gaming. But you still can talk about other types of games, like Chess or Go or Card Games or Computer role playing games or Wargames or Eurogames or Storygames however you want in the Other Games section of the site. Because we too like to talk about and play other games some times.

Quote from: Benoist;555963And yet, despite all those "evil silly reasons only the Pundit cares about," you STILL can talk about it on the RPG Site. Funny how that free speech thing works in practice, isn't it?

Except that you can't discuss it in the forum to which the game belongs.

Quote from: Benoist;555943That's because you seem to still have this illusion that this place wants to be "RPGnet... but better!"

I have never expressed anything that any sane person could reasonably construe that way. All I have said is that pushing threads into another completely unrelated forum is stupid. it's not just biased, leaving people to guess as to whether the game they want to discuss is a 'story game' or not (and thus not an rpg), it's a piss poor way to run a site. It's just bad moderation. I don't care whether you or any other fascist killing machine likes these games or not.

What I'm getting from this is that Ghost Whistler and DKChannelBoredom acknowledge that they can discuss the games they want here, but are pissed that those games are either not RPGs or just not popular enough to garner much discussion.

Quote from: CRKrueger;555954Apocalypse World is in the margins, Hot War is a bog-standard Storygame using task-resolution to determine how players not characters narrate results.  Example from a review on purple...

Metagame mechanics from player's PoV rather then character's PoV - DNA of a Storygame.  I have Hot War and the reviewer used the wrong term when he says "encourages" players to think in terms of story, the game's mechanics as written require it.  

You may not like Pundit's definition of RPGs, and feel free to call him poopypants because of it, but by that definition, Hot War is clearly defined as a Storygame, not an RPG.

By whom, other than pundit.

And why should it being a 'story' game mean it's not an rpg. That's like saying scifi games can't be roleplaying games. It's utterly absurd and it's the sort of silly prejudice that just wastes everyone's time, including his own. What has he gained with all of this? Fuck all.

Quote from: jeff37923;555989What I'm getting from this is that Ghost Whistler and DKChannelBoredom acknowledge that they can discuss the games they want here, but are pissed that those games are either not RPGs or just not popular enough to garner much discussion.

I think you know full well that's bollocks.

Being able to discuss these games on this site isn't the same as being able to discuss them in the right place.

These silly complaints wouldn't even need to exist if the games were treated as they should be. Arguing over inane self imposed private definitions seems to be complete intellectual masturbation.

Quote from: DKChannelBoredom;555983a lot of people would gladly talk about/play for example Apocalypse World side by side with D&D and Call, and do it without preaching or forcing their issues on others.

That's always the claim, but time and time again it has been proven that when you open the door, they won't be satisfied to stick to their own threads.

Mark my words, you open that can of worms again, and within weeks, every new thread asking for game suggestions will get flooded with recommendations of the latest indie darling, constant thread derails over navel-gazing theorywankery will occur daily, and on the whole they will do everything in their power to derail discussion of regular RPGs as much as possible to push their own Forgist agenda.

The storygamers have been given their chances, on site after site, and this was the result every fucking time.

The policy exists for that reason.  It has nothing to do with the Pundit's grudge, it has to do with the fact that even on this site, they were once allowed free reign of the main form, and they did exactly what I just fucking described, just like they do everywhere else.

Storygames are not regular RPGs, and are appointed the forum that best suits their topic, in order to prevent further site disruption of the kind that led to the policy in the first place.

I, for one, find it one of the smartest decisions the moderation of this site ever made.  

Now if only we could do the same for fucking D&D edition warring, we'd actually have a real forum again.

Seriously: You are whining about which tab you have to click to get to your thread?


Would you like to comment on the placement of the New Thread button next? Maybe they should have a little more of the warm yellows and reds in the background color?