Quote from: Ghost Whistler;552843"You did babies?!? (then the name of two playtesters, at least one is female)"

Make of that what you will.

I'm not sure I can even understand it.

Did babies...?

Quote from: thedungeondelver;552850I'm not sure I can even understand it.

Did babies...?

Killed them or fucked them, I suppose, as ugly as it sounds.

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See, the real tragedy of all this is that when hysterical activists like MalaDicta[1lie and extort to try and advance their agenda, they end up making life a lot more difficult for people who really do have a legitimate cause, because the greater society at large starts to suffer credibility and compassion fatigue.

Exactly. This is a better way of saying what I already said earlier. This is definitely the worst part of this whole fiasco.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;552843Don't tell maladicta or her friends, but in the playtest credits for a certain FFG beta test product called Only War, is the following: "You did babies?!? (then the name of two playtesters, at least one is female)"

Make of that what you will.

Actually, it's "You Bid Babies?!?"

Quote from: Benoist;552838I think many people forget that this issue is VERY MUCH RPG related, because it goes at the core of what the fuck is wrong with the "community" online, on the fashionable 'mature' design bullshit of GRIM's "side" of the argument, on one hand, on the fashionable socialo-femino-fascist pricks' "side" on the other hand, and the way places like SA and RPGnet fit into that whole picture, which ALSO touches on the subject of ongoing edition flamewars, grognards.txt and like threads over the internet, including this board, etc etc.

It's really going at the core of what's wrong with all that shit, IMO, and I feel like people are losing sight of that very important aspect of the clusterfuck. Missing the forest for the trees, in other words.

I just don't agree that it's really such a large issue.

I see this as nothing more than another invented controversy, that would never have even flown above radar were it not for the deliberate pot-stirring of certain Goons.

This is nothing more than a massive trolling on the part of SA and Grim combined with the usual reflexive neurosis of the victim mentality, and we're all of us dancing to their tune exactly as planned.  

They've successfully made the whole fucking lot of the involved parties look like a bunch of massive twats, which was exactly their goal in the first place, and threads like this only serve to continue their influence.

Quote from: Sinister Brain;552854Actually, it's "You Bid Babies?!?"

Indeed. That's embarassing.

Perhaps I should email Mongoose.

Quote from: J Arcane;552857I just don't agree that it's really such a large issue.

I see this as nothing more than another invented controversy, that would never have even flown above radar were it not for the deliberate pot-stirring of certain Goons.

This is nothing more than a massive trolling on the part of SA and Grim combined with the usual reflexive neurosis of the victim mentality, and we're all of us dancing to their tune exactly as planned.  

They've successfully made the whole fucking lot of the involved parties look like a bunch of massive twats, which was exactly their goal in the first place, and threads like this only serve to continue their influence.

I think we largely agree, in fact. I think your characterization of what's going on is correct: it is a massive trolling attempt on the part of the goons and people who got attacked then returned the favor like creeps to transform this whole situation into a horrible mess.

I just think that these guys, in general, both sides, are not making any favor to the hobby in general. They are turning all the internet websites they touch into horrible places where people wank endlessly on sick fantasies or indulge in the most fucked up trolling tactics to get away with it time and time again. And it speaks of the moderation of these places, like RPGnet, and ENWorld before it when 4e came out, and all that pseudo politically-correct "no wave, everyone sing kumbaya" bullshit that just serves as a front for these bastards to shove it to whatever game or person they do not like. This is pernicious throughout the online face of the hobby, IMO.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;552859Indeed. That's embarassing.

Perhaps I should email Mongoose.

"What's wrong with you? It's a GAME, dude, it makes it sound all dark and grim and shit. It's cool!"

If THAT is "grimdark", I'll pass, thanks. :rolleyes:

Quote from: Benoist;552862"What's wrong with you? It's a GAME, dude, it makes it sound all dark and grim and shit. It's cool!"

If THAT is "grimdark", I'll pass, thanks. :rolleyes:

Bidding babies? Pah. Anyone can do that. That's passe.

This is 40k. Think bigger.

"I bid the backbreaking labour of an entire generation of a hive city; not merely the exertions of every man, woman and child alive on this day, but also the toils of their children, until the last of the next generation has perished."

That's how you do 40k scale slavery.

Quote from: Benoist;552838on the fashionable 'mature' design bullshit of GRIM's "side" of the argument

None of the products they're quoting are intended to be mature. They're puerile, childish and immature - though I usually work layers into things.

I like a huge range of different themes and 'stuff' when it comes to games. I refuse to pin my flag to any one, particular mast. I'm an indie author purely because I self publish.

I was thinking more of the actual column "Rape is awesome as a plot device" and the type of take on role playing games that presupposes (as a medium akin to telling stories and the like, a "fiction emulator" used by a variety of wanna-bes who would be much better served actually writing fiction for real instead of using the hobby to wank about such topics like they're deep and edgy and shit) which sparked the whole flames with the SA goons in the first place, if I'm not mistaken.

Quote from: RPGPundit;552840Anyways, the day a shitload of Swine came up to defend walkerp and demand his return after I banned him was the day I realized that every single person I ban, no matter how reasonable the banning, no matter how justifiable, no matter how clear the evidence, no matter how reprehensible the person being banned, was going to have people protesting it.


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Skarka's Law.  I was there.

Quote from: Benoist;552870...the type of take on role playing games that presupposes (as a medium akin to telling stories and the like, a "fiction emulator" used by a variety of wanna-bes who would be much better served actually writing fiction for real instead of using the hobby to wank about such topics like they're deep and edgy and shit)...

How many fucking times have I said that very thing, and no one listened?

Well the column wasn't about RPGs in the first place. So... eh... *shrug*

Quote from: GRIM;552877Well the column wasn't about RPGs in the first place. So... eh... *shrug*

I'll take your word for it, James, but I think this blurring of the lines very much exists, nonetheless, and is relevant to the ongoing fiasco unfolding before our eyes, because it's all taking place on RPG forums, calling for boycotts of RPG publishers, and so on, so forth.