Quote from: One Horse Town;552807Given the sick state of some folk, i fully expect that she has recieved them.

The numbers seem staggering though. How many people were even aware of the petition?

I also believe that she has recieved them, but there is still some reasonable doubt to explore there. This is the problem when you are unscrupulous in your agenda pursuit.

I also wonder how many she recieved before she complained about the rape threats and if the number sharply increased after she complained about them.

Again, not condoning the rape threats, but I have to wonder whether or not this is being inflated or even manufactured in order to bolster MalaDicta's position.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;552765Somethingawful's forum users are broadly referred to as "goons".  It goes back to SA's history when Lowtax would point people at an "Awful Link of the Day" and tell readers of SA to go check it out, and they'd post in the forum(s) on said site, or spam the guestbook, etc.  Unleashing the "goon squad" on them as it were, and the moniker stuck.

OK, I get it now they are a subspecies of an attitude prowling the web. Knowing what somethingawful is has cleared it up.

Quote from: J Arcane;552700No, it isn't.  

This isn't "BitchAboutRPGnet.com" despite what some grudgebearing posters occasionally attempt to paint it as on all sides of the aisle (including locally).

If this issue didn't have broader consequences (albeit stupid ones for all concerned), and a broader reach than simply there, the thread would probably have been closed by now.

And this post doesn't seem to have any relevance to the actual topic of the thread.

Well, I think you overstate things there, J, because I think its very relevant: the attempt to turn to bureaucracy to censor and control content, to regulate, to tell people what to think and what to like; these are all symptoms of the diseased thinking of the type of people who create these problems.  
When it comes down to it, its all about fashionably-leftist college-hipsters thinking they know best about running everyone else's life.

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Quote from: GRIM;552679That's a Kickstarter I'd donate to.

Unlike the OWS hippies over at TBP, I have a real job and hence I could probably buy all of rpg.net out of this year's vacation fund.

Besides, I have no idea what I'd use for staged rewards:  does $20 for "call a mod of your choice a cock with no repercussions" sound about right?

Okay, okay, on topic - as I've said before, I'm not going to take MalaDicta's claims seriously until I see these threats with authenticated provenance, and I stand by my claim that they are not credible in any event.  If MalaDicta (or anyone else) wants to claim they are, then I want to see a scan of the completed police report.

See, the real tragedy of all this is that when hysterical activists like MalaDicta[1] lie and extort to try and advance their agenda, they end up making life a lot more difficult for people who really do have a legitimate cause, because the greater society at large starts to suffer credibility and compassion fatigue.


[1] And fuck me if that alias hasn't become ironic as all hell.

Quote from: _kent_;552817OK, I get it now they are a subspecies of an attitude prowling the web. Knowing what somethingawful is has cleared it up.

At least it's truth in labeling.

JG

Quote from: daniel_ream;552820Unlike the OWS hippies over at TBP, I have a real job and hence I could probably buy all of rpg.net out of this year's vacation fund.

Besides, I have no idea what I'd use for staged rewards:  does $20 for "call a mod of your choice a cock with no repercussions" sound about right?

The site would be a perpetual money machine.  

JG

Quote from: RPGPundit;552819Well, I think you overstate things there, J, because I think its very relevant: the attempt to turn to bureaucracy to censor and control content, to regulate, to tell people what to think and what to like; these are all symptoms of the diseased thinking of the type of people who create these problems.  
When it comes down to it, its all about fashionably-leftist college-hipsters thinking they know best about running everyone else's life.

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Perhaps I do speak out of turn, I just tire of the RPGnet drama.  I'm not even entirely sure what this thread is still doing in RPGs.  Grimjim's blog is not an RPG, the book at the center of the boycott is not an RPG, nor are any of the bullshit gender politics and drama surrounding this mess.  

The point of my remark was an attempt to discourage the thread from becoming another "let's bitch about RPGnet" thread, which we've had more than our quota of lately, largely thanks to dicks like BT.  

But I perhaps overstepped my authority as a mere poster in stating such as matter-of-factly as I did.

Quote from: Sigmund;552743As for the opinion bit, I believe Pundit answered this already. It's not about opinion but being disruptive in this instance. Honestly, I think you'll know the "wrong opinion" when you see it. Creating a "hostile environment" for either specific poster, or group of posters, has never been tolerated here and has long been known to be one of the few bannable offenses. I seriously don't see how anyone can actually complain about the mod policy here with a straight face. Despite the support for relatively free speech, this place is not a democracy. It boggles my mind that no matter how much of a douchebag the banned person was, there's always someone complaining about them getting banned. My response is "get over it" none of us have guns held to our heads forcing us to read and/or post here. Not liking the policy enforcement? There are plenty of other forums around.

Yeah, well, after you had a horde of pundit-haters that protested me for banning the guy who was arguing in defense of pedophilia and in favor of human extinction (as in, the extinction of the entire human race), I don't think you should ever be surprised that every single banning on this site ever will likely be met with protest.

The ironic thing is that this time none of the standard anti-pundit crowd are the ones doing the protesting.  They found BT so reprehensible to them, not one of them so far has been able to allow even their utter hatred for my person to overcome the bile that they would feel in their mouth at defending BT.  They looked at it and said "you know what, this time, its not worth it".

But instead, we got the nervous right-wingers concerned that somehow if I ban BT for being repeatedly expressive about how blacks are literally genetically inferior to whites, that'll somehow mean tomorrow they're going to get banned if they comment somewhere that they're opposed to public-option healthcare or something. I don't know what.  I just can't understand this mentality of "This utterly extreme piece of shit that is a stain on humanity self-identifies as my ideology so somehow that means I'm bound to defend him at all costs".  I think its fucking retarded when leftists do it with Stalin, Castro or Chavez, and I think its fucking retarded in this case with BT too.

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Quote from: RPGPundit;552829Yeah, well, after you had a horde of pundit-haters that protested me for banning the guy who was arguing in defense of pedophilia and in favor of human extinction (as in, the extinction of the entire human race),

Wait, BT did this?  Haha, I had him on ignore for months and months, I was in no way aware he was that around the bend.

QuoteBut instead, we got the nervous right-wingers concerned that somehow if I ban BT for being repeatedly expressive about how blacks are literally genetically inferior to whites, that'll somehow mean tomorrow they're going to get banned if they comment somewhere that they're opposed to public-option healthcare or something. I don't know what.  I just can't understand this mentality of "This utterly extreme piece of shit that is a stain on humanity self-identifies as my ideology so somehow that means I'm bound to defend him at all costs".  I think its fucking retarded when leftists do it with Stalin, Castro or Chavez, and I think its fucking retarded in this case with BT too.

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As a right-winger I don't give a shit that BT got banned, and I applaud the decision, he was a repugnant fuck-knuckle.  (The individual mandate is a crime against the Constitution, QED, but that's for another time.  Just putting the boot in, because no, I'm not going to get banned for it if there's anyone here actually laboring under the opinion that what you said regarding it is the truth.)

Quote from: J Arcane;552825Perhaps I do speak out of turn, I just tire of the RPGnet drama.  I'm not even entirely sure what this thread is still doing in RPGs.  Grimjim's blog is not an RPG, the book at the center of the boycott is not an RPG, nor are any of the bullshit gender politics and drama surrounding this mess.  

The point of my remark was an attempt to discourage the thread from becoming another "let's bitch about RPGnet" thread, which we've had more than our quota of lately, largely thanks to dicks like BT.  

But I perhaps overstepped my authority as a mere poster in stating such as matter-of-factly as I did.

LOL. I didn't mean to say "you overstepped your bounds" or something like that, just meant to say you're wrong.

It is relevant. It is relevant because a group of mostly non-gaming radicals with an agenda are trying to destroy a gaming company (mongoose), demanding money, and threatening that they and they alone should get to provide a censorial seal on what kind of games can or can't be produced, and who should or shouldn't get to produce them.

If you think that's no big deal, and you'd have no problem with this gang of assholes, who have already proven themselves utterly willing to lie, and utterly unwilling to be reasonable or civil in any way, in order to get what they really want (which is of course POWER over the industry), becoming the guys who decide what content should or should not be allowed to reach your gaming table, then I think you're not seeing the big picture here.

The Swine failed utterly at co-opting gaming with the notion of pseudo-artistry, then they failed utterly at co-opting gaming with the notion of pseudo-intellectualism; it seems like for at least some of the Swine, they're now changing tactic, and will try to co-opt gaming using the notion of pseudo-activism.

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I think many people forget that this issue is VERY MUCH RPG related, because it goes at the core of what the fuck is wrong with the "community" online, on the fashionable 'mature' design bullshit of GRIM's "side" of the argument, on one hand, on the fashionable socialo-femino-fascist pricks' "side" on the other hand, and the way places like SA and RPGnet fit into that whole picture, which ALSO touches on the subject of ongoing edition flamewars, grognards.txt and like threads over the internet, including this board, etc etc.

It's really going at the core of what's wrong with all that shit, IMO, and I feel like people are losing sight of that very important aspect of the clusterfuck. Missing the forest for the trees, in other words.

Quote from: RPGPundit;552836The Swine failed utterly at co-opting gaming with the notion of pseudo-artistry, then they failed utterly at co-opting gaming with the notion of pseudo-intellectualism; it seems like for at least some of the Swine, they're now changing tactic, and will try to co-opt gaming using the notion of pseudo-activism.

I wonder if the steps in the history of Roleplaying Games are not best encapsulated by pesudo-movements?

//Panjumanju

Quote from: thedungeondelver;552834Wait, BT did this?  Haha, I had him on ignore for months and months, I was in no way aware he was that around the bend.

No no, I was referring to Walkerp; who was banned here after I said something (I forget what) against the notion of child-rape, and because I had been against it he decided to come out in favor of it (not, I think, because he believes in it, but just because by that point he was so foaming at the mouth with pundit-hatred that well.. he would defend child abuse just on the basis that I had suggested it was a bad thing).  He was also vocally in favor of the extinction of the human race; something he really did appear to believe in, but that might have just been a pretentious act taken to an extreme of showing off how sophisticatedly nihilistic he is or some bullshit like that.
Anyways, the day a shitload of Swine came up to defend walkerp and demand his return after I banned him was the day I realized that every single person I ban, no matter how reasonable the banning, no matter how justifiable, no matter how clear the evidence, no matter how reprehensible the person being banned, was going to have people protesting it.


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Don't tell maladicta or her friends, but in the playtest credits for a certain FFG beta test product called Only War, is the following: "You did babies?!? (then the name of two playtesters, at least one is female)"

Make of that what you will.

Quote from: RPGPundit;552840No no, I was referring to Walkerp; who was banned here after I said something (I forget what) against the notion of child-rape, and because I had been against it he decided to come out in favor of it (not, I think, because he believes in it, but just because by that point he was so foaming at the mouth with pundit-hatred that well.. he would defend child abuse just on the basis that I had suggested it was a bad thing).  He was also vocally in favor of the extinction of the human race; something he really did appear to believe in, but that might have just been a pretentious act taken to an extreme of showing off how sophisticatedly nihilistic he is or some bullshit like that.
Anyways, the day a shitload of Swine came up to defend walkerp and demand his return after I banned him was the day I realized that every single person I ban, no matter how reasonable the banning, no matter how justifiable, no matter how clear the evidence, no matter how reprehensible the person being banned, was going to have people protesting it.


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Oh god, the VHEMT* people.  

I'm sorry I even created an account at rpghaven now (both here and there, on the same day).  Yuck.

Given this place...it is pretty fucking hard to get a ban around here, it's not the anti-Big Throbbing Purple for no reason at all; I mean, BT was clearly trying to get banned.

*=Voluntary Human Extinction MovemenT.