Quote from: One Horse Town;552309No. It's some valid concerns about how gaming is represented to 'others' and how it treats women, which has other people who are in it for shits & giggles riding its shirt-tails. The moral high-ground, however, was lost the moment the petition was started. It's a pretty big jump from "this is vile shit that i find offensive" to "this person supports rape and/or is a wannabe rapist."

Which, to me, is where the agenda-flinging starts. The dishonest woman latched on to this non-issue as a way to push her agenda, and a whole heap of seemingly brainless douche-bags jumped on her train and rode the shit out of it. Then, folks with opposing agendas flung shit back. I mean really, does anyone expect GMS to approach even this illusion of a controversial issue with restraint or civility? Does he approach any issue with restraint or civility?

QuoteI share the concerns that lie behind this shit-storm, but that was a public petition that might have massive repercussions for Desborough.

Don't get me wrong - i hate that stuff. All of it. Grims puerile crap, and the fucked-up stuff from Baker and the Maid crew etc, but when you start trying to fuck with someones life, you had better be pretty sure you're right with the facts.

I mean, shit, this is roleplaying! What happened to playing for fun, the pleasure and enjoyment that comes from levelling up, getting a magic sword, or paying off the loan on your starship? I'll tell you what, the 99% of players who have always done that are still doing that regardless of all the transgressive stuff added together.

With that, i'm bowing out. :hatsoff:

Your last paragraph here is where I am as well. This bullshit, being that it's public, is doing absolutely nothing but painting the participants of our hobby/sub-culture as douchebags. Unfortunately, we're all getting covered by the shit they're flinging, and people's chosen livelihoods could be affected (because we know people will believe whatever propaganda they're force-fed by folks like agenda-woman).

What's even worse as far as I'm concerned is that a great resource that the petitions have turned out to be has been abused by this woman (like filing a frivolous lawsuit), cheapening it in my opinion. There are people with real issues out there, and this chick is using dishonesty and misdirection to attack, through the petition, an author and company she merely happens to not find to her taste. It's an attempt at censorship that I find personally distasteful. The fact that her attempted censorship is a far more serious issue in the real world the rest of us live in than her personal dislike of a single author who has done no worse than legions of writers and other creatives throughout history will of course be lost in a cloud of political correctness and knee-jerk reaction to the word "rape".

And with this I'm going to bow out as well. I had resisted even commenting on this retarded mess until now, so I'm going to try to go back to that. Doing any more is just going to give this whole farce more weight than it deserves.

Edit: Besides, Aos' map is more important than this monumental flinging of monkey-poo.

Quote from: One Horse Town;552309No. It's some valid concerns about how gaming is represented to 'others' and how it treats women, which has other people who are in it for shits & giggles riding its shirt-tails. The moral high-ground, however, was lost the moment the petition was started. It's a pretty big jump from "this is vile shit that i find offensive" to "this person supports rape and/or is a wannabe rapist."

I share the concerns that lie behind this shit-storm, but that was a public petition that might have massive repercussions for Desborough.

Don't get me wrong - i hate that stuff. All of it. Grims puerile crap, and the fucked-up stuff from Baker and the Maid crew etc, but when you start trying to fuck with someones life, you had better be pretty sure you're right with the facts.

I mean, shit, this is roleplaying! What happened to playing for fun, the pleasure and enjoyment that comes from levelling up, getting a magic sword, or paying off the loan on your starship? I'll tell you what, the 99% of players who have always done that are still doing that regardless of all the transgressive stuff added together.

With that, i'm bowing out. :hatsoff:

I completely agree on the whole line of thought. I just don't think you should bow out of the conversation at all, because we need that kind of sanity on this thread. If that's what you feel is best, however, I can't really blame you for that.

Quote from: Benoist;552342I completely agree on the whole line of thought. I just don't think you should bow out of the conversation at all, because we need that kind of sanity on this thread. If that's what you feel is best, however, I can't really blame you for that.

I agree as well.
 
However, I'm not sure what much more could be brought up, here. The people who believe this is a politically correctness gone astray have had their say. The people who think everyone's a moron have had their say. And, the people who think everyone else is trying to encourage rape culture have had their say, too.

What is left but socio-political bickering?

//Panjumanju

Quote from: thedungeondelver;552179Kenguans.

MEESA HAFTA PICKPOCKET.

The only time you'd find me praying for a mind-flayer invasion.

"Pssshaw, these brains are devoid of nutrition..."

Quote from: Aos;552301checking my agenda: today I'm scheduled to smoke dope and cuss a lot.

Me too! Except my game hasn't been cancelled.

Quote from: Benoist;552326Are you saying she deserved comments like "she doesn't deserve consent and she needs to get fucked"?

I sure am.  She acted like a piece of shit and caught flak for it.  Maybe this will teach her to think twice before lying and dramawhoring.  (Who am I kidding?  Feminists don't think.)

QuoteSo it's okay to say "I'm going to rape you" to someone... "because the internet"?

Duh.

Quote from: B.T.;552356

Quote from: Benoist;552326Are you saying she deserved comments like "she doesn't deserve consent and she needs to get fucked"?

I sure am.  She acted like a piece of shit and caught flak for it.  Maybe this will teach her to think twice before lying and dramawhoring.  (Who am I kidding?  Feminists don't think.)

QuoteSo it's okay to say "I'm going to rape you" to someone... "because the internet"?

Duh.

Wow.

Goodbye, sweetheart.

Quote from: One Horse Town;552361Goodbye, sweetheart.

Was about to do it. Thank you.

Quote from: One Horse Town;552361Goodbye, sweetheart.

What on Earth just happened? That's insane. I don't think any forum is meant to contain such drama in such a short period of time.

//Panjumanju

I am very, very glad that I refreshed the thread before posting my reply.

I think I've said everything I have to say on this matter.

Quote from: One Horse Town;552361Goodbye, sweetheart.

Thank You OHT. Wow, what a shitstorm I'm seriously floored here.

Quote from: Sinister Brain;552078First time poster here (registered a while ago but hadn't posted anything as I was just reading and lurking).  
Yes, I come from TBP (No they didn't ban me yet).  
One thing before I get to my ontopic comments.  It's a seriously refreshing change of pace not being scared shitless to post in a controversial thread and actually speak your mind.  So thanks for that.

You're welcome and welcome to theRPGsite.

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I can't believe the SOB actually said that. I mean we're all more or less in agreement that Maladicta indeed has an agenda and is going about her protest the wrong way. But going from there to say it's okay to call for rape and that "it'd do her some good and maybe she'd think twice before lying" that is NOT on. Not at all. Period.

Quote from: RobMuadib;552104(especially since they largely banned every dissenting opinion s the thread went on.)

So in summary, I reject the messenger.

Yes, I noticed that too.  It was really amusing how anyone who posted a message critical of the petition was threadbanned or worse because they were being "aggressive" or the likes, but the ones who wished Mongoose to be shut down or what-have-you had a free-for-all.

They really desperately want an echo chamber in there.

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