Quote from: CRKrueger;552018Basically, this tempest is the textbook example of everything that is wrong with the current state of RPG Internet discourse with the original expressed ideas (both of which were true) being the first things to be pulped and splattered by the gristmill.

Which is why I only really post and read here. Lie and twist shit here and you'll be rightly called on it and subsequently either ignored or ridiculed, especially by the folks who discuss honestly and in good faith. Pretty much all I have to say on this entire ridiculously over-blown and misrepresented non-issue.

Quote from: One Horse Town;552065If you want to target a useless hack (and his fucked-up fans) who turns out crap products that are offensive (that's you, Grim), then you've got to widen the net to include idiots who have pretensions that what they are creating is 'art' or somehow meaningful. Yes, i'm talking about the Forge, misery tourism and Vincent Baker.

Where were the arseholes making a rumpus about this when stuff like Poison'd and Maid (which is another kettle of fucked-up shit. Murder condoms, anyone?) turned up?

I got PMs from posters at RPGnet when Poison'd was being discussed that would curl your hair - Rape of fictional characters in an RPG is fine and dandy 'cos it's not real. Shit, Baker even posted an 'actual play' that posited that fucking someone against their will with a dildo was "beautiful."

I'm with you. This is all a pile of shit being thrown around by people with agendas.

checking my agenda: today I'm scheduled to smoke dope and cuss a lot. Also tonight's game has been cancelled because someone has jet lag or something.

Also: Sig, are you still going to do that map, I can't wait to see it.

Quote from: Sigmund;552299I'm with you. This is all a pile of shit being thrown around by people with agendas.

No. It's some valid concerns about how gaming is represented to 'others' and how it treats women, which has other people who are in it for shits & giggles riding its shirt-tails. The moral high-ground, however, was lost the moment the petition was started. It's a pretty big jump from "this is vile shit that i find offensive" to "this person supports rape and/or is a wannabe rapist."

I share the concerns that lie behind this shit-storm, but that was a public petition that might have massive repercussions for Desborough.

Don't get me wrong - i hate that stuff. All of it. Grims puerile crap, and the fucked-up stuff from Baker and the Maid crew etc, but when you start trying to fuck with someones life, you had better be pretty sure you're right with the facts.

I mean, shit, this is roleplaying! What happened to playing for fun, the pleasure and enjoyment that comes from levelling up, getting a magic sword, or paying off the loan on your starship? I'll tell you what, the 99% of players who have always done that are still doing that regardless of all the transgressive stuff added together.

With that, i'm bowing out. :hatsoff:

Quote from: J Arcane;552295It seems like we're all of us being trolled by SA and James.

They sound like crusaders more than trolls tbh, but even in the latter case they've done a great job of smoking out the nest of vipers over at the babbling purple, so not without value.

Quote from: Sigmund;552296Which is why I only really post and read here. Lie and twist shit here and you'll be rightly called on it and subsequently either ignored or ridiculed, especially by the folks who discuss honestly and in good faith.

This is the forum that catches all the sockpuppets, apparently.

//Panjumanju

Quote from: One Horse Town;552309No. It's some valid concerns about how gaming is represented to 'others' and how it treats women,

This was where I was coming from.
Also @ Traveller- no sweat on the Nazi thing.  Now, there's a line worth quoting.

I think the vast majority of poster in this thread have their hearts in the right place and overall, you're all pretty swell in my book. Not that anyone should give a shit what I think, in fact, if you find yourself doing so, you've likely gone terribly wrong. Get help.

Quote from: One Horse Town;552309No. It's some valid concerns about how gaming is represented to 'others' and how it treats women, which has other people who are in it for shits & giggles riding its shirt-tails. The moral high-ground, however, was lost the moment the petition was started. It's a pretty big jump from "this is vile shit that i find offensive" to "this person supports rape and/or is a wannabe rapist."

I share the concerns that lie behind this shit-storm, but that was a public petition that might have massive repercussions for Desborough.

Don't get me wrong - i hate that stuff. All of it. Grims puerile crap, and the fucked-up stuff from Baker and the Maid crew etc, but when you start trying to fuck with someones life, you had better be pretty sure you're right with the facts.

I mean, shit, this is roleplaying! What happened to playing for fun, the pleasure and enjoyment that comes from levelling up, getting a magic sword, or paying off the loan on your starship? I'll tell you what, the 99% of players who have always done that are still doing that regardless of all the transgressive stuff added together.

With that, i'm bowing out. :hatsoff:

Fuck you for saying you have "valid concerns," you politically-correct weakling.  That's the sort of hand-wringing of government busybodies and corporate middlemen.  "Uh, uh, I have some concerns about your speech."  No, you don't "have concerns"; you either have a grievance or you don't.

We now return you to your regularly-scheduled posting.

Quote from: Aos;552301checking my agenda: today I'm scheduled to smoke dope and cuss a lot. Also tonight's game has been cancelled because someone has jet lag or something.

Also: Sig, are you still going to do that map, I can't wait to see it.

See, I knew the Return of Kaneda-Aos would also see a return of normal Aos-postings.

Quote from: Bastetson;552268It looks like a few posters in this thread have the idea that this mess started on the Purple and then got SA and others involved.

That is incorrect.

This started at SA's grognards.txt by Newfork (Goon) on Jun 13th. (http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3098558&userid=184238&perpage=40&pagenumber=2#post404603848
They have been watching GRIM's blog and work (among others) for awhile and pounced when they saw a chance to cause some drama.

It was brought over to the Tang of Purple by Ettin (Ettin at Purple and SA- Goon). (no link due Purple log in needed).
That was where the Maladicta stuff started. Dogpile on Mongoose ensues. Mongoose Matt tries (and fumbles) a response while figuring out whats going on. No one notices GRIM wrote a couple of things for Cubicle 7 (among others), so C7 walks away clean.

It is then taken to Twitter by Tablehop (Tablehop at Purple; Mikan at SA - Goon). (https://twitter.com/tablehop/status/215316382210981888)

Twitter leads over to Google Plus where Gareth-Michael Skarka (aka GMS) and Sarah Darkmagic had words. Her husband (aka Sir Whiteknight) couldn't stand the idea of any one disagreeing with her and uses a bullet metaphor in this thread https://plus.google.com/116302400822653221646/posts/Q8vr7YkXEnm about GMS and has another message in the thread with "buy you a round" at Gencon. GMS kinda worried he might be assaulted at Gencon. Mr Darkmagic calls GMS a coward on twitter (https://twitter.com/FTHurley/status/215611863214469121) for not wanting a "discussion" with him at Gencon. He continues on with this message. https://plus.google.com/111899461513439407504/posts/aaZ1vF6FAsU. GMS reiterates his position https://plus.google.com/116302400822653221646/posts/268UqfidNir on Friday and it is seen as a victory by the Darkmagics. Still no apology from Sir Whiteknight on his "threats".

And back to Purple where Ettin (Goon) gets permission by the mods to open a new thread http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?632637-Mongoose-and-reactions(now two threads http://forum.rpg.netshowthread.php?632966-Mongoose-and-reactions-part-two) in TTO about the shit he brought there. "Words of wisdom" from Ettin "This is quite a clusterfuck isn't it?" . No, Ettin, you and your goon friends made this clusterfuck. A better and more mature approach would have been to send emails to the companies involved and discussed your concerns with them hiring GRIM privately. And then, and only then, if you were unsatisfied with their response, start spreading GRIM's blog post to the nets for more visibility and a possible boycott of those companies.

So, as you see, it was started and spread by the Goons in grognards.txt. "Goons, Goons all the way down!"
 
And that's the mess we see now. Mongoose Publishing's reputation damaged, lots of Purple posters banned, and a possible assault at Gencon.



Personal Note: Rape and Rape culture is bad, m'kay. Rape should only be used with care in a rpg campaign/session if everyone involved is comfortable with it being used as a plot device. I don't know GRIM or have any of his works and I don't care to. I will continue to support and buy Mongoose products.

Everybody should read this post.

Quote from: B.T.;552276It's relevant because it's true.  I'm betting that Maladicta is an overweight white woman who has had trouble fitting in all her life, so she was naturally attracted to progressive politics.  ("Boys don't like me?  It's not because I'm fat, it's The Patriarchy!"). She gets to complain about her unsatisfying life, blame her failures on other people, tear down her betters, and get peer approval while she's at it.  It's a dream job for a catty shrew.

Are you saying she deserved comments like "she doesn't deserve consent and she needs to get fucked"?

Quote from: B.T.;552281Stop defending this bitch.  She's a crazy, lying, man-hating attention whore.  That people on the Internet said "huhuhu Imma rape u" doesn't change anything.  For fuck's sake, I post on another forum where one poster constantly threatens to rape and murder other people in between sending them gay scat porn.  IT'S THE INTERNET, GET OVER IT.

So it's okay to say "I'm going to rape you" to someone... "because the internet"?

Quote from: B.T.;552281Stop defending this bitch.  She's a crazy, lying, man-hating attention whore.  That people on the Internet said "huhuhu Imma rape u" doesn't change anything.  For fuck's sake, I post on another forum where one poster constantly threatens to rape and murder other people in between sending them gay scat porn.  IT'S THE INTERNET, GET OVER IT.

So it's okay to say "I'm going to rape you" to someone... "because the internet"?

Quote from: Aos;552301checking my agenda: today I'm scheduled to smoke dope and cuss a lot. Also tonight's game has been cancelled because someone has jet lag or something.

Also: Sig, are you still going to do that map, I can't wait to see it.

Oh yeah, definitely. In fact, I think I'll start messing with that right now

Quote from: The Traveller;551915any more than I'd include graphic descriptions of baby eating.

Actually I have. Gosh them PCs decided they was lawful-good with a strong element of vengeful after they saw that..

Quote from: Sigmund;552331Oh yeah, definitely. In fact, I think I'll start messing with that right now

Thread salvaged!