Now now, let's not also forget Matthew Sprange's shameless attempt at emotional pandering and suggested bribery.

Quote from: Elliot Wilen;552158What does "not on" mean? It was used in one of Grim's tweets, in a way with which I'm not familiar.

It's a fairly benign/polite way of saying that behaviour is unacceptable.

QuoteGrim, Is there some existential reason you just haven't said "Stop threatening her you idiots!" or even "I don't support this kind of harrassment."? By skirting the issue and just dismissing them as "trolls" you simply fan the flames. Of course their fucking trolls.  Anyone on the internet for 10 minutes knows that.  We all know you saying "stop it" won't stop them but it shows a little tact.  Something that's been missing from this whole giant clusterfuck.

I think I've covered that in my previous answers. I think trolling is a problem and yes, there are genuinely mentally ill people on the internet but I consider the problem to be trolling itself whereas my opponents fixate on the superficial content of the trolling comments. It's a separate issue from the fuss to me, but one I feel quite strongly about.

I don't recall the Pope having said that he's against the brutal buggering of Marmosets but to any sane person it's pretty obvious that he isn't condoning it, even if he hasn't spoken out about it.

Quote from: Elliot Wilen;552158What does "not on" mean? It was used in one of Grim's tweets, in a way with which I'm not familiar.

It means it's not something you should do. It's wrong in some way.

Quote from: Justin Alexander;552192This.
Saying things like "they're not genuine threats" or "they're just trolling" is an attempt to excuse behavior which is completely inexcusable. (Particularly since they're statements that Desborough is just making up out of whole-cloth. Unless, of course, Desborough is actually responsible for those threats being e-mailed. So either he's posting offensive bullshit or he's confessing to being a scumbag. I'm assuming the former, but neither option paints him in a great light.)

Excuse it?

No.

Accurately describe it?

Yes.

Same thing with the hot-button issue. Trolls will go after you if you're feminist, fat, gay, whatever it is that will get you to react. By continually fixating on the content of the trolling, rather than the trolling itself it is my opinion that people like Ms Cooper, and yourself here, are contributing to the problem and the goal of said trolls.

Given how rape has been trivialised in society, and this is evidenced by hearing any young kid talk on XBL where rape is a simple term used as a synonym for giving your opponent a sound thrashing, surely any opportunity to condone idiots tweeting threats should be taken.

Personally as a gamer I'm fed up with the use of the term rape in this way that is now perceived as almost benign.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;552234Given how rape has been trivialised in society, and this is evidenced by hearing any young kid talk on XBL where rape is a simple term used as a synonym for giving your opponent a sound thrashing, surely any opportunity to condone idiots tweeting threats should be taken.

Personally as a gamer I'm fed up with the use of the term rape in this way that is now perceived as almost benign.

Then the meaning has shifted, at least within these groups. I think you mean condemn.

I differentiate between its use in such a way and the actual act in a similar way to I would to the phrase 'Run like a motherfucker'.

Quote from: One Horse Town;552065Maid (which is another kettle of fucked-up shit. Murder condoms, anyone?)

You know, while Maid includes a fair few details which many folks commenting on the game have obviously found uncomfortable, I still don't understand that objection to the Murder Condom as some sort of a particularly heinous example. It's... a joke pet that PCs with a grudge can send out to bite a guy in his private bits (off-screen, of course) so that he then won't try to seduce anyone for the rest of the scenario. As the pop culture references in the book go, the German horror comedy that inspired the critter is admittedly on the more obscure side, though.

Quote from: GRIM;552235Then the meaning has shifted, at least within these groups. I think you mean condemn.

I differentiate between its use in such a way and the actual act in a similar way to I would to the phrase 'Run like a motherfucker'.

The meaning hasn't shifted and it's use is exactly the actual act.

Your faux naivete is so bullshit. You can't be this stupid. You write these books and then pretend outrage when someone complains about them.

Quote from: Aos;552149I can't imagine that I have anything else to say on the topic except that I don't have anything else to say on the topic.
I think it would be cool, though, if someone else called me a Nazi.

Aos, I believe you were a member of the national socialist german workers party, between the years of 1920 and 1945.

Happy?

Quote from: Justin Alexander;552192Both of them are idiots. Both of them have said stupid things. Maladicta crossed over into being a scumbag when she lied (repeatedly) in her efforts to paint people as supporters of actual rape. Desborough crossed over into scumbaggery when he claimed that she was "asking for it" by telling people that threatening her with rape was a "button".

The great part is her email conversation with Sprange. It's worth reading. If anyone is going to tweak the conversation so she looks reasonable and Sprange looks like an ass, it's her... but Sprange still comes out of that conversation looking like the reasonable one.

Quote from: Aos;552122Oh, I think Traveller is decent enough fellow; he just got carried away.

Argargarg I wasn't calling you a nazi, it was a roundabout reference to feminazis and them using the perfectly legitimate means you mentioned to do damage. See this is what I get for posting after a quarter bottle of the good Cap'ns finest while catching up on my Falling Skies.

Quote from: daniel_ream;552143but what evidence do we have that MalaDicta has in fact received any threats at all?  Are we relying only on her word?  We already know she's willing to lie and distort the truth to further her agenda.

This is becoming increasingly important. Has she published these emails, headers and all? In possibly the first ever case of her gang of merry castrati putting their energy to good use, I'm sure at least some of the threateners can be tracked down, even if the police aren't interested. And we have no idea whether or not the police would be interested even if they were contacted.

Quote from: Justin Alexander;552192Both of them are idiots. Both of them have said stupid things. Maladicta crossed over into being a scumbag when she lied (repeatedly) in her efforts to paint people as supporters of actual rape. Desborough crossed over into scumbaggery when he claimed that she was "asking for it" by telling people that threatening her with rape was a "button".

I really have a hard time reading that into what he said. This is a more accurate representation of the reaction to that tweet:

"If one would give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest man, I would find something in them to have him hanged."
Cardinal Richelieu

This is plain and simple a case of an nutty extremist lying and misrepresenting someone's work in order to drum up internet hysteria and a long list of bandwagon jumpers rowing in behind her. He didn't respond well to it, and who would, but he clearly didn't recognise what he was dealing with.

Real financial damage has been done here with malice aforethought. Both himself and Mongoose have legal recourse in my opinion. I wouldn't if I was him, no judge is going to look too kindly upon "surprise sex" comments, even though he would probably still win it, but Mongoose, yeah.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;552242The meaning hasn't shifted and it's use is exactly the actual act.

Your faux naivete is so bullshit. You can't be this stupid. You write these books and then pretend outrage when someone complains about them.

When someone says 'I raped that guy in Call of Duty' they don't mean they forcibly inserted their penis into them. Watch the Southpark episode about 'Fags', it's practically a public information film on this sort of thing.

I don't pretend outrage, I am outraged that people are that obtuse AND vindictive in combination.

I think the somewhat tongue in cheek tone of both himself and Mongoose through much of this discourse was simply because they didn't realise just what has been brewing over at the bloated purple and now apparently SA. No rational human being could take his comments on rape in literature as an endorsement of rape - this is very very simple. So they felt safe enough that it was a storm in a teacup.

The snarling mass of keyboard warriors that have arisen over this misrepresentation from what previously were good places to talk about games have highlighted just how sequestrated and hollowed the hobby has become in certain corners. Really big corners.

And once that internet mob button has been hit, theres no going back and no way to win. I've seen it myself, a young man accused of a trivial offence here locally, and hundreds of otherwise rational sorts dogplied him, publishing his photo, home address, facebook, place of study, googlebombed his name so future employers would be readily able to identify him, and more.

Then of course it transpired that he had been wrongly identified, was not even in the country at the time of the offence.

What struck me was how little apology there was from the mob afterwards. Some even continued to try to seek out incriminating evidence about anything to get him. Once people become invested in an idea, have hung their hat and whatever the fuck they imagine their online reputations to be worth on this idea, they just do not back down.

Hell, even if Mongoose does seek damages and wins, and they would, the same crowd will be howling miscarriage of justice and feel personally slighted by it, redoubling their efforts to damage the company in the name of their own egos.

I will supply details of that incident to anyone that wants them via pm by the way, not wishing to add to the poor bastard's woes.

Quote from: GRIM;552247When someone says 'I raped that guy in Call of Duty' they don't mean they forcibly inserted their penis into them. Watch the Southpark episode about 'Fags', it's practically a public information film on this sort of thing.

I don't pretend outrage, I am outraged that people are that obtuse AND vindictive in combination.

The use of the term rape in that context trivialises it's meaning. That it's now a casual phrase used by silly kids in video games proves this. I don't like hearing that kind of talk, it's ugly and it's ignorant. It's also not the same thing as the phrase motherfucker.

Ok, deep breath.

I've not read the ENTIRETY of all these disparate internet explosions, nor have i ever interacted with this maladicta person in anyway or form.

Is it just not possible that she genuinely misread the article?