Pretty simple - Cut Hit Points in two and call half of them Stamina, call the rest Wounds.  Everytime you gain HPs, you put half into Stamina, half into Wounds, with the odd number going to Stamina.  So lets grab a guy from the Playtest Document, the Cleric of Moradin.

He has 17 HPs, so on his sheet you list.
Stamina: 9
Wounds: 8

He takes 6pts of damage, now it reads
Stamina: 3
Wounds: 8

He now takes 5pts of damage, now it reads
Stamina:0
Wounds:6

He takes a Short Rest.  Short Rest only heals Stamina, not Hit Points.  So he rolls a 1d8 for Short Rest and gets a 5.  Now it reads
Stamina:5
Wounds: 6 (note the actual Wounds section of the HPs hasn't been affected by the Short Rest).

He decides to cast Cure Light Wounds and rolls a 7, so now it reads
Stamina: 5
Wounds: 8 (note the stamina section was not raised by Curing the wounds)

So now

• I have an easily defined method to finally once and for all declare in D&D what is skill/luck/stamina and what is damage.
• I have a new stat (Stamina) I can use to power Fighter abilities (or other stuff) without resorting to AEDU
• I can have all kinds of "inspirational/leadership" abilities that can heal Stamina or even give temp Stamina.
• I can toss in optional rules that sneak attacks, critical hits, falling damage bypass Stamina if I want.
• I don't have D&D characters running around like superheros with no fear of death.

The problem I see with that is that you're ending up with the same issues as the Vitality/Wounds thing of Star Wars d20 et al. You are adding a double HP system to the game and an equal amount of book-keeping and confusion (what source of damage affects what part of the HP abstraction, etc) for no clear benefit in terms of enjoyment of the game. The HP abstraction, to me, only works if you don't break it down between wounds and the rest.

Quote from: Benoist;542427The problem I see with that is that you're ending up with the same issues as the Vitality/Wounds thing of Star Wars d20 et al. You are adding a double HP system to the game and an equal amount of book-keeping and confusion (what source of damage affects what part of the HP abstraction, etc) for no clear benefit in terms of enjoyment of the game. The HP abstraction, to me, only works if you don't break it down between wounds and the rest.

I don't enjoy a game where a good night's sleep get's rid of all combat damage.  Anything that fixes that is a clear benefit. Damage, you say, but it's not damage it's (insert bleah).

My fighter has more Hit Points then a Mammoth? - well no, that's fighting skill not all damage.
Then why does it take a high level fighter 8 weeks to naturally heal from 1hp to full?

I can fill the post with 30 year examples but they all prove that a single HP number representing two things has always been more confusing then helping, we've just been willingly suspending disbelief for so long we've forgotten we're doing it.

The "sources" I never bought either.  If it currently does damage in D&D, that's Stamina then Wounds.  It works just fine without having to do Stamina only or Wound only attacks.  However, I have been doing the difference between lethal and non-lethal damage in lots of systems for decades, that doesn't bother me.

Now, if you want to keep things simpler, then you're back to having one number quantify two things, the only way to really do that is by having a "breakpoint".

So that Dwarf with 17 hit points now has a Wounded/Bloodied/whatever state applied when he drops below 9hp.

When Wounded, Short Rests do not heal HPs, and Long Rests heal 1hp/day.

Cure Spells will not be affected and can be used whether Wounded or not.

We dumped Stamina, so my fighter is still AEDU-guy, but at least we got rid of healing all HPs in a good night's sleep.

Basically any fix for 5e HPs needs two do 2 things in my mind.
1. Define somehow the difference between damage and non-damage part of HPs.
2. Make it so the new HD mechanic (which is really quite good I think for non-damage/minor damage) doesn't apply to serious wounds.

How about, you recover (Hit Dice + Con modifier) of HP per hour of rest?

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Planet Algol wins.

oh, I actually like this system.  It adds about as much work or difficulty to the system compared to normal HP as adding capital letters to language.  It's  one more step, but when people are used to writing and reading novels and poems and such, I'd say it adds clarity and is only difficult for the under 6 year-old crowd.

Just one of many little systems that are similar.
(then again, I am not against using actual math in my games, so maybe I'm nuts)

Quote from: CRKrueger;542424Pretty simple - Cut Hit Points in two and call half of them Stamina, call the rest Wounds.  Everytime you gain HPs, you put half into Stamina, half into Wounds, with the odd number going to Stamina.  So lets grab a guy from the Playtest Document, the Cleric of Moradin.

He has 17 HPs, so on his sheet you list.
Stamina: 9
Wounds: 8

He takes 6pts of damage, now it reads
Stamina: 3
Wounds: 8

He now takes 5pts of damage, now it reads
Stamina:0
Wounds:6

He takes a Short Rest.  Short Rest only heals Stamina, not Hit Points.  So he rolls a 1d8 for Short Rest and gets a 5.  Now it reads
Stamina:5
Wounds: 6 (note the actual Wounds section of the HPs hasn't been affected by the Short Rest).

He decides to cast Cure Light Wounds and rolls a 7, so now it reads
Stamina: 5
Wounds: 8 (note the stamina section was not raised by Curing the wounds)

So now

• I have an easily defined method to finally once and for all declare in D&D what is skill/luck/stamina and what is damage.
• I have a new stat (Stamina) I can use to power Fighter abilities (or other stuff) without resorting to AEDU
• I can have all kinds of "inspirational/leadership" abilities that can heal Stamina or even give temp Stamina.
• I can toss in optional rules that sneak attacks, critical hits, falling damage bypass Stamina if I want.
• I don't have D&D characters running around like superheros with no fear of death.

Problem with this is . . .

. . . it's not D&D.

Going down the road of 4e again with all these novel mechanics.

We don't need 'em.

Might be a fine RPG, but, like 4e, it's not D&D and it will fail.

The more novelty WotC brings into 5e, the more it will fail to unite the clans, and just fail. Period.

Quote from: 1989;542465Problem with this is . . .

. . . it's not D&D.

Going down the road of 4e again with all these novel mechanics.

We don't need 'em.

Oh, Bullshit.
 I could say the same of the Monk and paladin and ranger, or for god's sake, of weapons doing different damages, or adding good and evil to the alignment system.  Every iteration has made changes that were viewed as heretical and as 'not D&D' by some when they were introduced.

These 'novel mechanics' are going down the road of EVERY EDITION.  Make arguments about what they do to gameplay, and your game, fine.  Act regressive and promote 'one way-ism', bullshit.

Quote from: 1989;542465Problem with this is . . .

. . . it's not D&D.

That's what everyone said about your favorite edition cupcake.  

Quote from: CRKrueger;542475That's what everyone said about your favorite edition cupcake.  

Yeah, in fact I VIVIDLY recall the numerous fights when 2e came out and there were no monks or assassins, and the art was toned down to rated G.

Quote from: LordVreeg;542468...or adding good and evil to the alignment system.

Holmes Basic

You know what I'm talking about.

The cut-off line for easy reverse compatibility is 2e. 2e and everything before it can be interconverted easily, as anyone here will testify. Same system, basically.

Once you get to 3e . . . it's a different ball game.

D&D is anything before 2000.

3e and 4e are shit.

We do not need a fucking 2d20 system 40 years later.

We do not need a fucking stamina/wound/bullshit system, either.

Except as a module for those who want it. Then, it's okay.

Yeah, I don't mean to cut down your idea; it's fine. Just not as core D&D.

Quote from: 1989;542485Except as a module for those who want it. Then, it's okay.

Yeah, I don't mean to cut down your idea; it's fine. Just not as core D&D.

Well right there I'm with ya, I've been using HPs forever, can still use 'em.  But if the options are something like I was working on or what they currently have in 5e, then I'd rather they fix it then leave it as is.