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D&D Next vs Pathfinder

Started by Dodger, April 04, 2012, 01:58:10 PM

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jeff37923

#255
April 26, 2012, 01:52:57 AM Last Edit: April 26, 2012, 02:00:03 AM by jeff37923
Quote from: Halloween Jack-Off;534004Fap. Fap. Fap.

Don't you have to wipe off the keyboard and screen every once in awhile?
"Meh."

Marleycat

#256
April 26, 2012, 01:58:49 AM Last Edit: April 26, 2012, 02:08:13 AM by Marleycat
Quote from: Halloween Jack;534004Nah. Your opinions are too dumb.

Well if the guy pretending to be a kitten making death threats likes it, it must be classy.

Nice, real classy, seems I'm done here.  Could you at least keep the discussion to gaming rather than calling me a guy because you have nothing to refute my opinion of you're full of shit?

Why do I keep feeding the trolls, seriously I need help here. Possibly in the real sense.:)
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

Halloween Jack

#257
April 26, 2012, 02:02:12 AM
Quote from: Marleycat;534006Nice, real classy, seems I'm done here.  Could you at least keep the discussion to gaming rather than calling me a guy because you have nothing to refute my opinion of you're full of shit?
Actually, you and Jeff are the reason the discussion devolved to "No, you're dumb" repeated back and forth. Keep pretending you're not a useless asshole, though. How else will you get through the day?

jeff37923

#258
April 26, 2012, 02:09:45 AM
Quote from: Halloween Jack-Off;534009Actually, you and Jeff are the reason the discussion devolved to "No, you're dumb" repeated back and forth.
After you could not prove your idiotic claim that Pathfinder was copying ideas from 4E, you started the standard 4vengering.


Quote from: Halloween Jack-Off;534009Keep pretending you're not a useless asshole, though. How else will you get through the day?

All she has to do is note that she does not have to clean her keyboard and screen as often as you must.

Quote from: Halloween Jack-Off;534009Fap. Fap. Fap.
"Meh."

Marleycat

#259
April 26, 2012, 02:13:47 AM Last Edit: April 26, 2012, 02:18:57 AM by Marleycat
Quote from: Halloween Jack;534009Actually, you and Jeff are the reason the discussion devolved to "No, you're dumb" repeated back and forth. Keep pretending you're not a useless asshole, though. How else will you get through the day?

Wow, now two known trolls attack me on bullshit and you link me in Jeff's league? You're seriously out of ammunition here. I am just a baby kitten here, both at this site and my interest interest in old school, ask anybody. But I have claws and am learning how to use them quick even though it's not my preference.
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

Halloween Jack

#260
April 26, 2012, 02:35:47 AM
Quote from: jeff37923;534013After you could not prove your idiotic claim that Pathfinder was copying ideas from 4E, you started the standard 4vengering.
If Paizo was outright copying 4e, their design wouldn't suck shit through a hose.
QuoteAll she has to do is note that she does not have to clean her keyboard and screen as often as you must.
An idiotic claim. Prove it!
Quote from: Marleycat;534014I am just a baby kitten here, both at this site and my interest interest in old school, ask anybody. But I have claws and am learning how to use them quick even though it's not my preference.
Ooh, watch out! It's Internet Tough Cat!

Marleycat

#261
April 26, 2012, 02:43:11 AM Last Edit: April 26, 2012, 02:58:46 AM by Marleycat
I did say you're entertaining ......thank God it's my day off, I can be here all day for the show.:)

On another more important subject ...I never have "keyboard" issues.
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

jeff37923

#262
April 26, 2012, 03:31:23 AM
Quote from: Halloween Jack-Off;534018If Paizo was outright copying 4e, their design wouldn't suck shit through a hose.

An idiotic claim. Prove it!

Ooh, watch out! It's Internet Tough Cat!

4vengers 4ssemble!

Quote from: Halloween Jack-Off;534018Fap. Fap. Fap.
"Meh."

GoneForGood

#263
April 26, 2012, 03:36:14 AM Last Edit: April 26, 2012, 03:39:15 AM by Orpheo
To be fair, and I'm only going to make this one post on this particular PF/4E issue, as someone who quit 4E and took up Pathfinder I would argue that I definitely see elements of Pathfinder that could be inspired by elements of 4E. Not so much in the core, more in the subsequent splat books. The  new combat maneouvres in the APG that cause forced movement, for instance. I know about Bullrush and all that, but the maneouvres introduced in the APG expand forced movement to a similar range to 4E. The rules are definitely 3.5 though, complete with attacks of opportunity to deter you from actually doing them.

jeff37923

#264
April 26, 2012, 03:45:48 AM
Quote from: Orpheo;534030To be fair, and I'm only going to make this one post on this particular PF/4E issue, as someone who quit 4E and took up Pathfinder I would argue that I definitely see elements of Pathfinder that could be inspired by elements of 4E. Not so much in the core, more in the subsequent splat books. The  new combat maneouvres in the APG that cause forced movement, for instance. I know about Bullrush and all that, but the maneouvres introduced in the APG expand forced movement to a similar range to 4E. The rules are definitely 3.5 though, complete with attacks of opportunity to deter you from actually doing them.

OK, this I will look into and take at face value.

Orpheo's point being much more articulate than "Ohmigod, Pathfinder sux and so do you!" Halloween Jack's version seems like something he read on another forum and tried to use without having any understanding of the subject.
"Meh."

James Gillen

#265
April 26, 2012, 03:54:39 AM
Quote from: jeff37923;533679Except that you have yet to provide any proof.

The Greater Vital Strike feat is not proof because your "conversion" to 4E does not include the need for prerequisites before that one can be used. It is not even an actual trick in 4E.

The feat Antagonize just shows the feat, you do not even give the example of what 4E trick it is supposed to be a copy of.

Not to mention the fact that anything that does 4W sure as hell ain't gonna be an At-Will power.  ;)

JG
-My own opinion is enough for me, and I claim the right to have it defended against any consensus, any majority, anywhere, any place, any time. And anyone who disagrees with this can pick a number, get in line and kiss my ass.
 -Christopher Hitchens
-Be very very careful with any argument that calls for hurting specific people right now in order to theoretically help abstract people later.
-Daztur

jeff37923

#266
April 26, 2012, 04:09:53 AM
Quote from: jeff37923;534031OK, this I will look into and take at face value.

I've taken a look at the Pathfinder Advanced Player's Guide on Combat Maneuvers (p320-p322). I can see them being inspired by 4E if I squint really hard, but they are still just combat maneuvers that any character class may use and to be adept at them requires a Feat. They do not look like the Powers in D&D 4E, which are specifically limited to each class.
"Meh."

Marleycat

#267
April 26, 2012, 04:10:07 AM Last Edit: April 26, 2012, 04:13:53 AM by Marleycat
Quote from: Orpheo;534030To be fair, and I'm only going to make this one post on this particular PF/4E issue, as someone who quit 4E and took up Pathfinder I would argue that I definitely see elements of Pathfinder that could be inspired by elements of 4E. Not so much in the core, more in the subsequent splat books. The  new combat maneouvres in the APG that cause forced movement, for instance. I know about Bullrush and all that, but the maneouvres introduced in the APG expand forced movement to a similar range to 4E. The rules are definitely 3.5 though, complete with attacks of opportunity to deter you from actually doing them.

This sir makes sense especially given that Pathfinder is going the way of late 3.5 with their own twists like Fantasy Craft, they just have to move slowly.  They will get there. Even if your particular example doesn't prove your thesis.

I agree with Jeff less yelling more facts.  I can listen and read.  I graduated from HS even.
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

James Gillen

#268
April 26, 2012, 04:34:27 AM
Quote from: The Butcher;533744So sex is a martial power??? :confused:

:D

Well, technically an "exploit" rather than a "spell," although Divines could call it a "prayer".

JG
-My own opinion is enough for me, and I claim the right to have it defended against any consensus, any majority, anywhere, any place, any time. And anyone who disagrees with this can pick a number, get in line and kiss my ass.
 -Christopher Hitchens
-Be very very careful with any argument that calls for hurting specific people right now in order to theoretically help abstract people later.
-Daztur

James Gillen

#269
April 26, 2012, 04:44:14 AM
Quote from: jeff37923;534005Don't you have to wipe off the keyboard and screen every once in awhile?


Does anyone even USE White-Out anymore?

JG
-My own opinion is enough for me, and I claim the right to have it defended against any consensus, any majority, anywhere, any place, any time. And anyone who disagrees with this can pick a number, get in line and kiss my ass.
 -Christopher Hitchens
-Be very very careful with any argument that calls for hurting specific people right now in order to theoretically help abstract people later.
-Daztur
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