The problem WotC trying to suck cock on 3e players is that Paizo is already gobbling them ballsacks and all with Pathfinder. And the OSR is wanking off the grognards in the corner.

I don't know who WotC can please enough to have them completely drop their current RPG to join up with D&D Next.

I see the same problem in the Warhammer Fantasy arena. WFRP 2e didn't offer enough to many fans of 1e and 3e is too different for most 1e and 2e fans.

If WFRP 4e is just 2e redux, will the 2e fans really just rebuy from them? Maybe. Certainly the 3.5 fans bought 3.6 from Paizo in droves.

I don't envy WotC. Shoulda gotten that virtual tabletop running years ago.

Quote from: Spinachcat;522163The problem WotC trying to suck cock on 3e players is that Paizo is already gobbling them ballsacks and all with Pathfinder. And the OSR is wanking off the grognards in the corner.

This isn't about them Marching under the yoke or whispering sweet nothings to 3E/pathfinder players. But when you infuriate a customer base, it impacts the bottom line (as we are seeing) because you lose trust. To regain the faith of people who didn't transition to 4E (i actually haven't played pathfinder or much 3E since its release) they really do need to acknowledge their misteps. My attitude as a customer is why should I assume they can get 5E right if they dont seem to realize what they got wrong with 4E. They are asking to spend 90 bucks or so on the new edition (assuming the standard PHB, DMG, MM) so it is a purchase i will weigh more tham say a movie ticket or rpg system that comes in a single cheap book.

I will say i have seen some promising signs from them.

Quote89.>Every PHB will contain a random selection of 7 common classes, 3 uncommons, and 1 rare.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?!?

Quote from: Novastar;522193Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?!?

It's a joke.

Quote from: Ladybird;522237It's a joke.

Thank all the gods in heaven.

Yeah, and this is the problem, there's a lot of selective quotation and a lot of misinformation in the form of commentary in this "leak".  Its written from a fundamentally hostile bias.

RPGPundit

Not going to believe this until I hear it from someone who doesn't post on SA.

Quote from: CRKrueger;52205120 different conditions though?  :eek:   Christ.

My understanding is that they were doing away with 3/4e style stock "status effects", and merely going back to effects being unique to the ability that caused them, like in AD&D.

You know, this incident is a reason why I am waiting for the game to actually be printed and sold before judging it. As it stands right now, this is just advertising for 5E.

Quote from: jeff37923;522320You know, this incident is a reason why I am waiting for the game to actually be printed and sold before judging it. As it stands right now, this is just advertising for 5E.

That's quite the wise policy.

But this is also such bad advertising. Tragically our (albeit my negative) interest in such PR actions doesn't really translate to word of mouth beyond our insular community of rpg enthusiasts. Like a moth to a flame I feel compelled to criticize their bad management of the situation.

I likely need a dose of Fukitol to watch dispassionately as another thing I used to enjoy implodes from incompetence.