This is a site for discussing roleplaying games. Have fun doing so, but there is one major rule: do not discuss political issues that aren't directly and uniquely related to the subject of the thread and about gaming. While this site is dedicated to free speech, the following will not be tolerated: devolving a thread into unrelated political discussion, sockpuppeting (using multiple and/or bogus accounts), disrupting topics without contributing to them, and posting images that could get someone fired in the workplace (an external link is OK, but clearly mark it as Not Safe For Work, or NSFW). If you receive a warning, please take it seriously and either move on to another topic or steer the discussion back to its original RPG-related theme.

WFRP3e - FFG announces The Enemy Within

Started by Skywalker, March 01, 2012, 02:09:46 PM

Previous topic - Next topic
Print
Go Down Pages 1 ... 5 6 7 8 9 10
User actions

Benoist

#90
March 08, 2012, 11:02:54 AM Last Edit: March 08, 2012, 11:05:16 AM by Benoist
Welcome, Graeme! :)

Quote from: GraemeDavis;520497And am I a sell-out? It's certainly true that I have written for all three editions. It's also true that I haven't written anything for 1e since 2e came out, nor for 2e since 3e came out. That's because I make my living writing for games, and tabletop rpgs will never make anyone rich so I can't afford to write unless I get paid. So, guilty on those counts, I guess. If anyone wanted to pay me 6 cents a word or more to write 1e material, I'd happily do that as well.

Well sure, you are a sell-out: what you describe is basically mercenary work. "As long as you guys are paying me 6 cents a word, I'll write for you." You seem to have a very good reason to do so (i.e. paying the bills, feed the family), but yeah, that does make you a mercenary, a sellsword. So long as you don't have a problem with people recognizing that fact, it's all good, I guess.

crkrueger

#91
March 08, 2012, 11:06:01 AM Last Edit: March 08, 2012, 11:08:10 AM by CRKrueger
Quote from: Benoist;520534You seem to have a very good reason to do so (i.e. paying the bills, feed the family), but yeah, that does make you a mercenary, a sellsword.
To be fair, is there an RPG writer who isn't?  I guess if you have your own system or company and write solely for that, but how many designers like that are there?  Out of those how many actually support themselves just on the RPG sales, probably zero.
Even the the "cutting edge" storygamers for all their talk of narrative, plot, and drama are fucking obsessed with the god damned rules they use. - Estar

Yes, Sean Connery\'s thumb does indeed do megadamage. - Spinachcat

Isuldur is a badass because he stopped Sauron with a broken sword, but Iluvatar is the badass because he stopped Sauron with a hobbit. -Malleus Arianorum

"Tangency Edition" D&D would have no classes or races, but 17 genders to choose from. -TristramEvans

Benoist

#92
March 08, 2012, 11:07:31 AM
Quote from: CRKrueger;520535Is there an RPG writer who isn't?  I guess if you have your own system or company and write solely for that, but how many designers like that are there?  Out of those how many actually support themselves just on the RPG sales, probably zero.

Not that many, I'd wager.

Herr Arnulfe

#93
March 08, 2012, 11:16:30 AM
Quote from: CRKrueger;520535To be fair, is there an RPG writer who isn't?  I guess if you have your own system or company and write solely for that, but how many designers like that are there?  Out of those how many actually support themselves just on the RPG sales, probably zero.
I'm sure there are plenty of RPG freelancers who cling to the hope of one day making a living from their writing, even if they aren't currently.

I hope for the sake of the industry that there aren't too many freelancers still trying to bang out 4,000 words/day just to pay rent.
 

Rincewind1

#94
March 08, 2012, 11:24:39 AM
Thanks for response, Greame. I still love original EW, and no, as I said - I do not consider you a sell - out, because generally speaking, RPG industry is just too much based on editions treadmill to consider someone writing for other edition then Someone's Beloved a sell - out. I hope you do make the best out of new EW. But I still find the title in bad taste, and my money won't go to it.
Cheers, and good luck.
Furthermore, I consider that  This is Why We Don\'t Like You thread should be closed

Imperator

#95
March 08, 2012, 12:32:56 PM
Quote from: Benoist;520534So long as you don't have a problem with people recognizing that fact, it's all good, I guess.
Calling a professional doing work for money a "sell-out" as if ti was something impure is baffling, anyway. How many people is working without a salary? Is it wrong that a person does a work for money?
My name is Ramón Nogueras. Running now Vampire: the Masquerade (Giovanni Chronicles IV for just 3 players), and itching to resume my Call of Cthulhu campaign (The Sense of the Sleight-of-Hand Man).

Haffrung

#96
March 08, 2012, 12:42:02 PM
Quote from: Benoist;520534Welcome, Graeme! :)



Well sure, you are a sell-out: what you describe is basically mercenary work. "As long as you guys are paying me 6 cents a word, I'll write for you." You seem to have a very good reason to do so (i.e. paying the bills, feed the family), but yeah, that does make you a mercenary, a sellsword. So long as you don't have a problem with people recognizing that fact, it's all good, I guess.

I think the word you're looking for is 'professional'.
 

Benoist

#97
March 08, 2012, 12:44:57 PM Last Edit: March 08, 2012, 12:54:52 PM by Benoist
Quote from: Imperator;520572Calling a professional doing work for money a "sell-out" as if ti was something impure is baffling, anyway. How many people is working without a salary? Is it wrong that a person does a work for money?

No, it's no intrinsically wrong to do some work for money. Who said that?

It's the fact that you'd do ANY work for money that would make you a sellsword.

"Selling out" is the compromising of integrity, morality, or principles in exchange for money or "success" (however defined).

When you say "I'd write whatever, as long as you give me 6 cents a word," you technically are putting the paycheck before any considerations based on principle, integrity, what-have-you. As I said: if you don't have an ethical problem with that, then all's fine, as far as you're concerned.

It's a question of priorities: if you got to pay the bills at the end of the month and have to ignore whatever ethical beliefs you might otherwise have had, so be it. When you have to, you have to, right? But that doesn't change the fact you're being a mercenary for hire, basically.

Benoist

#98
March 08, 2012, 12:49:01 PM
Quote from: Haffrung;520575I think the word you're looking for is 'professional'.

Yeah, right. In your bizarro world maybe.

Haffrung

#99
March 08, 2012, 12:52:05 PM Last Edit: March 08, 2012, 12:56:32 PM by Haffrung
Quote from: Benoist;520576When you say "I'd write whatever, as long as you give me 6 cents a word," you technically are putting the paycheck before any considerations based on principle, integrity, what-have-you. As I said: if you don't have an ethical problem with that, then all's fine, as far as you're concerned.

Everyone who makes a living from writing (aka 'professionals'), especially freelance writing, lives by that principle; they cobble together a livelihood by writing pretty much whatever anyone will pay them for. Fussy writers don't pay the rent.

If you prefer the integrity of amateur writers, then good for you. But why should commercial enterprises should operate under amateur principles. Surely there are reams and reams of amateur RPG material for you to enjoy, without getting your neck out of joint over what professionals choose to do in the commercial realm.
 

Benoist

#100
March 08, 2012, 12:58:23 PM
Quote from: Haffrung;520580Everyone who makes a living from writing (aka 'professionals'), especially freelance writing, lives by that principle; they cobble together a livelihood by writing pretty much whatever anyone will pay them for. Fussy writers don't pay the rent.

That makes them all swords for hire. Where is the problem, here?

Quote from: Haffrung;520580If you prefer the integrity of amateur writers, then good for you. But I don't see why you think commercial enterprises should operate under amateur principles.
Who said that? You said it. I didn't.

Quote from: Haffrung;520580Surely there are reams and reams of amateur RPG material for you to enjoy, without getting your neck out of joint over what professionals choose to do in the commercial realm.
I don't. You're the one having a hissy fit over it right now, not I. ;)

Haffrung

#101
March 08, 2012, 01:01:31 PM
Quote from: Benoist;520578Yeah, right. In your bizarro world maybe.

In the bizarro world of Merriam-Webster:

Professional - participating for gain or livelihood in an activity or field of endeavor often engaged in by amateurs
 

Benoist

#102
March 08, 2012, 01:03:23 PM
Quote from: Haffrung;520587In the bizarro world of Merriam-Webster:

Professional - participating for gain or livelihood in an activity or field of endeavor often engaged in by amateurs

Reading comprehension is your friend. You should read some more Merriam-Webster, and pay closer attention to what the words actually say, not what you want to hear in your head.

Haffrung

#103
March 08, 2012, 01:04:39 PM
Quote from: Benoist;520584That makes them all swords for hire.


Why do I get the impression you don't have meaningful employment, and resent those who do?
 

Benoist

#104
March 08, 2012, 01:05:51 PM
Quote from: Haffrung;520590Why do I get the impression you don't have meaningful employment, and resent those who do?

Because you're upset at what I just said and want to find a way to make me shut up, that's why. :)
Print
Go Up Pages 1 ... 5 6 7 8 9 10
User actions