Quote from: Planet Algol;467281Nightfall, did you, the player, know what was behind the door that your character broke down?

No. I don't have a COMPLETE memorized layout of what's going on in Thorn's End. I do know what events AND NPCs do. But map layouts don't stick in my brain that well. Usually.

Quote from: Seanchai;467298What are we supposed to think, if not lying? Yesterday you said "Having my revenge on my old DM by killing his character..." and today when I remark based on your two statements to the effect, you reply with, "There's not enough evidence to suggest it's a reality in ANY way."

Uhm if you noted I only said it TWICE and I don't believe I said it any time yesterday, or the day before that (since today is Saturday when I'm posting this.) Also you were saying that the REASON he stripped me of my paladin-hood was because of me killing a character that he himself admitted to me, "wasn't as interesting as the summoner." So you tell me.


 

Quote from: Seanchai;467298"Entirely inaccurate," huh? If you changed your mind, okay. Good, in fact. But let's not pretend I misconstrued or mis-perceived anything. I didn't. You out and out, in a straightforward fashion, said twice that you were planning on killing your DM's character in an act of revenge.

I said it. I didn't always mean it. I mean politicians say somethings and get to retract their statements or change them around. People accept that. Why can't gamers?

Quote from: Seanchai;467298Thus, again, under this paradigm, his actions against your character could be completely justified. If that's the way your group plays, he could be coming up with all the wall stuff because of perceived slights against him.

Seanchai

Right because some how he felt slighted by the death of a character that, as I stated previously, he wasn't AS attached to. So he waits until JUST now, almost 2 years if not more, to strip my paladin hood from a character I have only played for a little under a year, compared to where I WAS going with a Paladin of Asmodeus/Hellknight. Then I changed to LN Cavalier with Order of the Stars going Hellknight. So far your logic is...faulty.

Quote from: Nightfall;467343I don't believe I said it any time yesterday, or the day before that (since today is Saturday when I'm posting this.)

According to the timestamps that show on my machine, it was just as I indicated. As it's now Saturday here, too, (I'm in MST in the US), they all say something different today. Still...

Your quibbling over "yesterday" and "today" aside, one day passed between your statements. One day, you said you were intentionally going to kill him and the next day you said the idea of your intentionally killing his character was me grasping at straws.

Quote from: Nightfall;467343Also you were saying that the REASON he stripped me of my paladin-hood was because of me killing a character that he himself admitted to me, "wasn't as interesting as the summoner." So you tell me.

I did tell you. I said, "Was having revenge on your paladin for some slight, real or imagined, in or out of game, that you dealt him?" That was post #75. And that quote is the entirety of my post, too.

It was you, in post #76, who latched on to the idea that it had to be because of a character death.

Maybe he messed with your character because he thought you looked at him funny. Maybe he thinks you and his mom have a thing. Maybe he felt you weren't friendly enough when you said hello to him. Maybe he thought you were being a dick at the table. Maybe he thought you were trying to undermine him with the other players. Maybe he thought you'd read the adventure and were using your knowledge to get ahead. Maybe he thought you were bitching about him on the Internet. And so on.

There's a whole host of reasons "real or imagined, in or out of game" that he might have done what he did, not just the death of his rogue.

The point is that if this is how your group plays - paying each other back in game for various things - then your coming here and complaining amounts to little more than childish whining. Moreover, it's a shitty way to run a group.
 

Quote from: Nightfall;467343I mean politicians say somethings and get to retract their statements or change them around. People accept that. Why can't gamers?

It's those sorts of things which earn politicians reputations as unreliable liars. You took umbrage when I said you might have lied, but you keep comparing yourself to professional liars. Is that really what you mean to do?

Quote from: Nightfall;467343So far your logic is...faulty.

It's perfectly sound. First, we dealt with the whole it-has-to-be-because-of-the-rogue misconception on your part above. Second, you expect people to be rational agents. They're not. They're absolutely not.

Seanchai

In an effort to salvage a peace AND because it's become blatantly obvious that internet fighting is pretty much a no win scenario, I concede that EVERYTHING Seanchai says is always right. So there.

Quote from: Nightfall;467423In an effort to salvage a peace AND because it's become blatantly obvious that internet fighting is pretty much a no win scenario, I concede that EVERYTHING Seanchai says is always right. So there.

Fuck peace, just let Seanchai know that he is being a douchebag. Again.

Jeff,

I like to win. This situation doesn't offer that. Besides come Sunday it probably won't matter. Maybe.

Quote from: Nightfall;467272The DM knows I know. How do I know? Because we've discussed the fact we both have ALL the current/past Pathfinder Adventure Paths. Second Darkness is the third one. I ran the second one, Curse of the Crimson Throne. He knew stuff about that but it didn't affect his character play WHEN I ran. By the same token I know plenty about the AP and though my paladin was surprised by the succubus bard, I wasn't.

I admit I'm pretty out of touch with the contemporary rpg/3E/Pathfinder scene, but is this common? Is it an everyday, normal occurance for folks to play through an adventure path that they own and have read?

Quote from: Planet Algol;467427I admit I'm pretty out of touch with the contemporary rpg/3E/Pathfinder scene, but is this common? Is it an everyday, normal occurance for folks to play through an adventure path that they own and have read?

No idea. I just know it's the way it is with our group BECAUSE I have purchased all but two of the APs. I have them all in PDFs, but I know he's got a subscription to them. (He was a Dragon Magazine subscriber.) This however could be the norm. I wouldn't know. I do know that at least one other player has read it, but that was...3/4 years ago. So who knows what he remembers. I just have a good memory AND access to the books.

Quote from: Nightfall;467423In an effort to salvage a peace AND because it's become blatantly obvious that internet fighting is pretty much a no win scenario, I concede that EVERYTHING Seanchai says is always right. So there.

You really are trying to become a politician...

Seanchai

No I'm just accepting that fighting you over the internets via messageboards is a no win scenario. So I decide to not play the game by letting you win.

Quote from: Nightfall;466478Your status as a paladin.

Yep. You heard me right. Apparently breaking MAGICALLY sealed doors in places that aren't evil is a chaotic act. EVEN THOUGH, it wasn't like I was a) going to steal the money there-in; b) trying to kill anything BUT the demons (who my paladin swore to kill BECAUSE of being tricked by the Bard Succubus) and c) Not disobeying any direct commands.

So yeah...today NF's paladin isn't a paladin. I always figured if I lose it, it would be because I decided to kill demons BEFORE saving the rest of the party.

I like this post. It's the perfect, succinct reason why alignment sucks.

Seriously, it's like a firefighter getting fired because he had to break a window to get a family out of a burning building.

Side note: I will never understand why some GMs always seem to want to make the paladin fall, and will use any excuse to do it.

Quote from: FunTyrant;468320I like this post. It's the perfect, succinct reason why alignment sucks.

Seriously, it's like a firefighter getting fired because he had to break a window to get a family out of a burning building.

Side note: I will never understand why some GMs always seem to want to make the paladin fall, and will use any excuse to do it.

It got resolved. Trust me alignment issues happen. I just generally wouldn't have penalized my paladin that much. That being said, she's dead now. But at least she got her paladin-hood back before dying.

Quote from: FunTyrant;468320Seriously, it's like a firefighter getting fired because he had to break a window to get a family out of a burning building.

The way things are going in the UK I can totally see that happening soon

Quote from: Ian Warner;468406The way things are going in the UK I can totally see that happening soon

Well maybe now you've gotten the Murdoch boys out of the picture, it might change.