Quote from: Justin Alexander;457905It would probably be more accurate to give them an Executive Producer credit.

I believe that was the case in one instance.  I know for $5000 you can buy EP credit on that new RPG movie.  $1000 gets you Associate Producer.

Well, I do have one reason not to go with Kickstarter: The black box approval process. I just had a project rejected that was essentially identical to a dozen other projects they've approved in the past (many of which have been successfully funded). Why? Dunno. They don't say and they don't have any mechanism for requesting feedback.

Rather disappointing. I'll be looking at other options.

Quote from: Justin Alexander;458046Well, I do have one reason not to go with Kickstarter: The black box approval process. I just had a project rejected that was essentially identical to a dozen other projects they've approved in the past (many of which have been successfully funded). Why? Dunno. They don't say and they don't have any mechanism for requesting feedback.

Rather disappointing. I'll be looking at other options.

Have you tried Indiegogo? Similar set-up, different company.

Quote from: Tommy Brownell;458049Have you tried Indiegogo? Similar set-up, different company.

Screw that. Like I said earlier. It's good for some, not for all. Having your project kicked back is elitism of the worst kind. It's a you can't make it just because we say so...

Call it what you want. What it is is good old fashioned Prejudice. Discrimination.

Federal government calls it racketeering and conspiracy.

It's got no place in gaming. and has no place in Venture funding as well.

Quote from: GameDaddy;458085Screw that. Like I said earlier. It's good for some, not for all. Having your project kicked back is elitism of the worst kind. It's a you can't make it just because we say so...

Call it what you want. What it is is good old fashioned Prejudice. Discrimination.

Federal government calls it racketeering and conspiracy.

It's got no place in gaming. and has no place in Venture funding as well.

Hahahahahaha, you have no idea how funding works, do you?  

Why should that site be obligated to host any project?  That's like saying every financier should hear out every proposal that crosses their desk, lest they be seen as an elitist or as discriminatory.

Quote from: GameDaddy;458085Screw that. Like I said earlier. It's good for some, not for all. Having your project kicked back is elitism of the worst kind. It's a you can't make it just because we say so...

Call it what you want. What it is is good old fashioned Prejudice. Discrimination.

Federal government calls it racketeering and conspiracy.

It's got no place in gaming. and has no place in Venture funding as well.

So what's your fucking deal, here?

You're laying on the FUD awful fucking thick for someone who appears to have no other interest in the subject.

Is this just your typical psychotic paranoia, or do you have money in this one like you've got money in Tesla?

You seriously need to get some help.

Quote from: GameDaddy;458085Screw that. Like I said earlier. It's good for some, not for all. Having your project kicked back is elitism of the worst kind. It's a you can't make it just because we say so...

So you simultaneously believe that Kickstarter (a) shouldn't exist at all and (b) is the only possible way that a product can exist?

QuoteFederal government calls it racketeering and conspiracy.

Racketeering and conspiracy? Cuckoo as a clock you are.

Quote from: Tommy Brownell;458049Have you tried Indiegogo? Similar set-up, different company.

I'll take a look. I'm also considering 8-bit.

Huh?

Did you see Do:Pilgrims of the Flying Temple.  It funded at over 600% of the requested amount.  $24,383

It seems to be feast or famine though and it hasn't hit a saturation point yet.  It's novel and people are jumping on it.  In a year when everyone is using it there may be so much competition that less projects get funded.

Quote from: Saint&Sinner;460526Did you see Do:Pilgrims of the Flying Temple.  It funded at over 600% of the requested amount.  $24,383

Yes! and it seems you're involved in it.

It's not a revolution, and it might even be a fad, but at least so far, it seems like a handy thing. For me personally it means I don't have to worry about stretching my personal funds or my credit to turn around a large budget. I just started my first Kickstarter, for Conquest of the Universe, mainly because I need a good-sized art budget, much moreso than my previous garage press endeavor.

Some alleged upsides are:
1. Reducing financial insecurity
I give this an A, it does what it says on the tin.
2. Spreading the word
Not sure. I've seen some hits from Kickstarter people I might not have interested otherwise, but I haven't seen a longterm surge in interest. B-, may be upgraded as I get closer to my deadline.
3. Gauging interest
This works pretty much as advertised, however, you are gauging interest on a potential project, rather than the finished one, so a successful funding tells you a lot more than a failed one. I give this a B-, as the utility is questionable, but it seems to do what they say.
4. Engaging your audience
Supposedly, you by getting supporters, people are supposed to feel motivated to give you feedback and help you shape your project. In practice, I'm seeing Internet 101 all over again: 90% of people are lurkers. I give this a D-.
5. No downsides
Basically, there are no downsides. Worst case scenario, the project funds but you never finish it, and you live with guilt and a bad reputation for the rest of your life. But since you suck, you kind of deserve it. Assuming the project is a) mostly completed, b) your life's work, which you will die rather than not complete, or c) blessed with enough goodwill you can finish it whenever, this is basically a free opportunity to borrow money from your customers, and potentially charge a premium on motivated buyers who actually desire to make premium purchases. I give this an A+; Kickstarter is safe for all non-douchebags.

"Safe for all non-douchebags" and "safe from douchebags (for those who participate in it)" are not quite the same thing.  I think one of the big points Kickstarter has in its favor is that it is (while not quite safe, at least) safer than just counting on giving your money up front for something that may or may not happen.

RPGPundit

At least if you fund a douchebag, you all drink the Kool-Aid and hop on the comet together.

Quote from: RPGPundit;456677And more importantly, is it likely to be a model that would work?

RPGPundit

As noted, it seems to "work" (produce neutral or good results) for publishers. Now, whether funding hypotheticalware is a good investment for consumers is another question. I think, on the balance, funding cool projects is probably a better use of your lucre than buying a lot of the useless crap gamers tend to buy. How many dungeon tiles do you really need? But it's kind of a personal judment.

I think, if you lay down an amount of money that's comfortable for you, you feel confident in the reputation of the project creator, and you set your expectations to "surprise me," it's definitely a cool thing. But I don't know that those considerations align very well with most or even many gamers. Realistically, I would have to point out it's probably a better investment than spending $15 to be the first to buy some PDF on RPGnow that no one else has rated yet.

Quote from: J Arcane;457574This is a dead hobby for basement dwelling nerds, there's not a lot of capital flying around, and funding a professionally illustrated and edited book is not cheap.  I don't blame people for getting creative in how they take up the slack in funding a project.

THIS is where I see Kickstarter most useful.  

Quote from: J Arcane;457579It's not an investment, you douchewaffle.

Douchewaffle!!!

Gamedaddy, where are my links to peer reviewed Tesla articles?  

Quote from: ptingler;457588However, keep in mind that that the only good thing is making money and only those who already have it deserve to make money. :rolleyes:

The majority of my fellow Americans appear to believe this. Its going to take a few more centuries to excise the "feudal peasant" mentality from the species.

Quote from: J Arcane;457883This can get silly at times; I've seen films that offer Producer credit for especially large contributions ...

Its how its done in most big budget films. Out of the dozen "producers" on a movie, there is usually only one or two people who actually did the work of a producer and everyone else is the head executive of a money fund or a major studio exec jockeying for credits.

The explosion in Producer credits in the last two decades has been laughably bizarre.