Quote from: Ghost Whistler;452630Why do you continue to ignore the point about having to buy the extra books?

I'm not exactly sure why this is a problem.  Those books are fucking beautiful!

Also, in response to the position that the "scattershot" way FFG is going about this is all wrong:  No.

Black Crusade is coming out soon.  Can't wait to hear the bitching.

Here's a protip:  Don't buy the fucking books.  Don't buy the game.  You obviously don't like it and think you can do better - SO DO SO.  

Shut the fuck up.

Quote from: Spike;452658Interesting observation but irrelevant.  People can play narrative and thematic space elves as easily as they can play narrative and thematic superhuman warrior monks with two hearts and big fucking guns.

The fact that the 40k rpgs are geared towards emulating the fiction and novels is relevant, since 90% of that fiction focuses on the Imperium and the people who live in it. GW has never really cared about novels that are not just about "Imperials fighting enemy X", told from the Imperials perspective. The Eldar, beloved as they are, have gotten like 5 books during their entire existence and only one of those (the one by Thorpe) is worth anything.

Sadly, the truth is that GW really, really, really wants to make the Imperium and the Space Marines the focus of 40k, and it's obvious that FFG were told to do just that - games where you play as an Imperial agent/soldier/magnificent bastard.

Quote from: Ramrod;452700The fact that the 40k rpgs are geared towards emulating the fiction and novels is relevant, since 90% of that fiction focuses on the Imperium and the people who live in it. GW has never really cared about novels that are not just about "Imperials fighting enemy X", told from the Imperials perspective. The Eldar, beloved as they are, have gotten like 5 books during their entire existence and only one of those (the one by Thorpe) is worth anything.

Sadly, the truth is that GW really, really, really wants to make the Imperium and the Space Marines the focus of 40k, and it's obvious that FFG were told to do just that - games where you play as an Imperial agent/soldier/magnificent bastard.

There is nothing new about that, they have repeatedly said that 40k is Imperium-centric.

Everything is told from that perspective.

What's irritating is that people are just now figuring this out.  This perception that it has become (or wants to become) this sort of generic space opera seems to be prevalent amongst folk who don't really have much to do with 40k, i.e. rpg'rs who seldom wargame.

Indeed some of the reasoning behind these arguments makes me chuckle, but my basic opinion is that the negative opinions of non-40krs on this subject are completely irrelevant because they lack a certain amount of insight - the thought that these games weren't strictly made for them (the rabid rpg'rs) and is instead actually aimed at wargamers is appalling.

So it's kinda funny.  Most 40kr's I know are in love with ALL the games and looking forward to the next one.  

And after that, there will be more.

Since you can never reconcile the facts on your own, let me illustrate a few points...  

1) You ARE missing material from Deathwatch, and all the other games.  
2) It's largely irrelevant, because all Warhammer games share the same basic mechanics.  A little work, but not a lot.
3) If you're not playing with minis, you ARE doing it wrong.

Quote from: Blackhand;452670I'm not exactly sure why this is a problem.  Those books are fucking beautiful!

Also, in response to the position that the "scattershot" way FFG is going about this is all wrong:  No.

Black Crusade is coming out soon.  Can't wait to hear the bitching.

Here's a protip:  Don't buy the fucking books.  Don't buy the game.  You obviously don't like it and think you can do better - SO DO SO.  

Shut the fuck up.

Here's another: read the fucking thread.

Quote from: Spike;452650I think a perfectly valid point could be made about the weird scattershot presentation of various elements of the 40k universe in the FFG games.

I have made exactly that point. Clearly you are another of these idiots that doesn't fucking read the fucking thread and instead goes off half cocked shouting abuse. I'm sick of being insulted by people like you; learn to FUCKING READ!

Quote from: Pseudoephedrine;452647Oh, I understand you don't want to buy books (or rather, you only want to buy books with DW branding, except for the antagonist book coming out in a month or so which has now been mentioned twice in this very thread), but you've already ruled out the only other alternative, so basically, there is no solution to your fake "issue".

Also, your reason for not wanting to buy non-DW books is a non-reason, as has been pointed out repeatedly. You continuously repeat it despite admitting your own ignorance in the matter and ignoring comments from those who are not ignorant of the situation.

Thus, lazy and stupid.

Again, putting words into my mouth.

I said that I don't want to have to buy books for a tiny fraction of content given taht a) it's not terribly efficient and b) it's fucking expensive!

Why do you need to mention Mark of Xenos? We all know it's in the offing, that hasn't been denied. But there is no word onw hat it specifically contains or when it's out, so at the moment it doesn't exist.

You are STILL MISSING THE FUCKING POINT.

I shouldn't have to design my own rules, stats and whatever for core 40k antagonists in a 40k game. And I shouldn't be made a pariah because I happen to want a game i'm paying for to do the work for me - that's what we pay for. Why go to all the trouble of producing lavish 400 page books only to leave out such central elements? Why employ a haphazard approach to disseminating that information? Why prioritise creating your own ideas (and having to create them) over creating stats for actual canon enemies in a licensed setting? There is no real logic to the way FFG have done things.

None of which is any reflection on the quality or the presentation of those ideas either. Nor does it preclude people from doing whatever they like.

All I hear is the wailing of fanboys and the arrogant tone of some dunce who thinks that if people don't play rpg's the way he does they deserve to be mocked and scorned. Here's a fucking protip for you: not everyone that buys a published rpg wants to do some or even all the work themselves. That, AGAIN, is why they are paying for that product. It's not free, it's published and paid for. Insulting me because I don't really want to make up my own stats for things as quintessentially 40k as orks, eldar and chaos space marines (as opposed to the chaos stuff you face in DH, chaos of the non-military kind), is just arrogant and obnoxious. It doesn't mean that I couldn't or that I (assuming it is as easy as you say, I don't know and I'm not going to take your word for it since you resort to childish abuse so easily it destroys all credibility) won't. I just shouldn't have to. Three things: Orks, Eldar and CHaos Space Marines. I can forego Dark Eldar and Necrons for now, even the Tau can be prioritised lower. But to say there are no orks in the Jericho Reach - the setting for a game about the Ordos Xenos can't make much sense!

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;452717I shouldn't have to design my own rules, stats and whatever for core 40k antagonists in a 40k game.

Hm. I see you are new to role playing games. Welcome! You can pick up your copy of D&D basic when you exit the thread.

Oh I read it, you illiterate turd.  It's you that needs to read - or should I say comprehend?  It's not that you don't have an argument, it's just that it's stupid and has no merit.  Come to terms with that.  We all have our days.

Honestly though, theres something else I want to address.

Make ONE fucking post.  Posting three times to say what you could have done with one post (they are all irrelevant anyway) is how you artificially inflate your post count.

I know we don't ban people here - multiposting like that is bad form, bad manners and it reflects how pea brained you really are.  Learn to use the forum - there's an edit button, you pretentious and ill informed little prick.

Also - this hobby is expensive.  If it's not to your tastes, go fucking complain about it somewhere else.  OR do what a real person would do - make more money.

Quote from: Blackhand;452719Also - this hobby is expensive.  If it's not to your tastes, go fucking complain about it somewhere else.  OR do what a real person would do - make more money.

Congratulations on actually lowering the tone of an overt troll thread.

Quote from: Benoist;452718Hm. I see you are new to role playing games. Welcome! You can pick up your copy of D&D basic when you exit the thread.

I dunno, given what he's said it sounds like he'd be better of with 4e.

Quote from: Cole;452720Congratulations on actually lowering the tone of an overt troll thread.

Thanks.

I had to try really really hard.

Quote from: Benoist;452718Hm. I see you are new to role playing games. Welcome! You can pick up your copy of D&D basic when you exit the thread.

What the hell is that supposed to mean? I am quite capable of making stuff up that is not the fucking point. But it requires that I have enough information on the factions themselves, which I personally don't have. So either I buy the codcies, which I don't want to do, to get the full background in order to develop them properly, or I just fudge it, which I don't want to do. Why should I have to? Why aren't FFG doing this? Instead of pouring endless streams of unsolicited and unwarranted fucking abuse why not answer that question?

Quote from: Blackhand;452719Oh I read it, you illiterate turd.  It's you that needs to read - or should I say comprehend?  It's not that you don't have an argument, it's just that it's stupid and has no merit.  Come to terms with that.  We all have our days.

Oh go die of cancer you bleeding fuckign cunt. I've had enough of the fucking abuse on this thread as it is. I have HAD FUCKING ENOUGH!

Quote from: J Arcane;452721I dunno, given what he's said it sounds like he'd be better of with 4e.

Actually I think what he's looking for is sold by Sony or Microsoft.

PS3's and Xbox's are going pretty cheap these days.  Or maybe a Wii...

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;452726Oh go die of cancer you bleeding fuckign cunt. I've had enough of the fucking abuse on this thread as it is. I have HAD FUCKING ENOUGH!

Oh pipe down, shithead.  You've been screaming at everyone on this board for as long as I remember.  Take your well deserved licks like a man and shut the fuck up.

At this point the only reason anyone's talking to you is because it's amusing to watch you react like an 8 year old with a God complex every time.