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Nentir Vale - is it cancelled?

Started by danbuter, March 08, 2011, 07:45:20 PM

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ggroy

#30
March 12, 2011, 04:27:58 PM
Quote from: Reckall;445584There was a (very, very bad) cycle of novels and modules about the gods being thrown down from they thrones by the Ubergod (already a stupid idea by itself: a pantheon should have a leader, like Zeus, not a "god of the gods"). Some gods died and other stuff happened.

The whole fracas was only a (badly, badly thought) way to upgrade the setting to 2E. For example, since the God of Murder died, all of sudden all the assassins in the Realms disappeared - because 2E had no Assassin class and this had somehow to be reflected in the setting (I kid thee not: this was what the creative minds at TSR were able to pull out from their collective hats). Many players simply shrugged and moved on.

The Avatar Trilogy?  (The Time of Troubles).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Avatar_Series
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_of_Troubles_%28Forgotten_Realms%29

ggroy

#31
March 12, 2011, 04:36:42 PM
Quote from: Windjammer;445579Very unlikely. The main decision for overhauling the Forgotten Realms came not from the RPG department, but from the novels chief editor, Phil Athans.

Phil Athans left WotC back in mid-2010.

http://fantasyhandbook.wordpress.com/2010/06/22/end-of-part-two/


(No idea whether he left voluntarily, or was laid off or fired).

Reckall

#32
March 12, 2011, 05:15:59 PM
Quote from: ggroy;445594The Avatar Trilogy?  (The Time of Troubles).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Avatar_Series
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_of_Troubles_%28Forgotten_Realms%29

That one. A guy hated it so much that he took the trouble to write a colossal review of the modules. Stuff of legend.

I re-wrote the whole affair for my campaign, taking inspiration from both the Iran-Contra scandal and Tom Clancy's "Clear and Present Danger" - with the Gods taking the place of the real world bigwigs.

The interesting thing is that the basic ideas I wrote around (the lawful gods accidentally creating the devils while fighting the demons and then starting the Blood War to cover the snafu) come from the basic D&D lore itself. How TSR managed to put together such a bad storyline with all the good stuff ready to use they could simply refer to is beyond me.
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#33
March 12, 2011, 08:17:41 PM Last Edit: March 12, 2011, 08:21:58 PM by danbuter
Quote from: misterguignol;445506This isn't the first time this has happened in the Realms though, is it?  Wasn't there some kind of "War of the Gods" where a bunch of major changes happened in the pantheon?  How was that received by Realms-fans?

That was the Time of Troubles, which carried the game from 1e to 2e. It was also received poorly by many fans.

edit: looks like this has already been covered. Another horrible example from D&D's past is Dark Sun. The very first novels published for it completely changed the setting.
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#34
March 13, 2011, 07:26:19 PM
The time of troubles was a megaevent that created some controversy in its day; but differed in several key areas.  First, it was relatively early in the Realm's history as an RPG setting.
Second, it made no real major changes in the setting, whereas the 4e changeover basically altered the setting at every level.

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March 13, 2011, 08:58:04 PM
The Times of Trouble sucked. Forgotten Realms = Grey Box, plus the 3rd ed Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting book to cherry pick elements to include in the game, as a source of inspiration. I take it from there.

ggroy

#36
March 13, 2011, 08:59:38 PM
Quote from: Benoist;445885The Times of Trouble sucked. Forgotten Realms = Grey Box, plus the 3rd ed Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting book to cherry pick elements to include in the game, as a source of inspiration. I take it from there.

The 3E Forgotten Realms campaign setting book was good for cherry picking from.

Not really sure about the other 3E/3.5E FR books.
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