Quote from: David Johansen;434715Now I could start a discussion of why 4e isn't really even a game, but that would get silly.

Wait wait wait. 4e isn't even a game, in your eyes?

(Starting a new thread with this because I like silly)

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I don't like 4e, but it is a game. Saying otherwise is just silly.

For fuck's sake. :duh:

Quote from: danbuter;434729I don't like 4e, but it is a game. Saying otherwise is just silly.

...Okay then, but what KIND of game is it?

Is it a boardgame with pretensions of being an RPG?

Is it miniatureses game with roleplaying rules tacked on to it as an afterthought?


- Ed C.

Quote from: Benoist;434726Wait wait wait. 4e isn't even a game, in your eyes?

(Starting a new thread with this because I like silly)

Only in jest sir!

However there was an editorial in Dragon back in the second edition days about how roleplaying "games" were not technically games at all, but amusements.  Which is in many ways a fair assessment as they are not a competive activity and that's part of some dictionary definitions or something.

Now if I were attacking it from the angle that D&D 4e isn't even a game I'd start with the minion rules and ways in which the rules aren't applied equally to NPCs and PCs but no.  While an rpg may not actually be a game in some obscure entmological way that argument isn't much fun for an uneducated laborer like myself.

Bear in mind that while I think 4e is a catastrophe for the D&D brand it's actually a better game than 3e or 2e neither of which seems to have been designed people who actually understood D&D very well or just had no respect for the original design.

While the earlier versions of D&D suffered from being cobbled together with spit and bailing wire, the later ones are over engineered, largely reactions against the storytelling game thrust of the nineties, and reward a style of play that I find appalling.

Quote from: Koltar;434731...Okay then, but what KIND of game is it?

Is it a boardgame with pretensions of being an RPG?

Is it miniatureses game with roleplaying rules tacked on to it as an afterthought?


- Ed C.

It is a ROLEPLAYING AMUSEMENT sir and not a game at all!  

Quote from: David Johansen;434733It is a ROLEPLAYING AMUSEMENT sir and not a game at all!  

Somehow you should be dressed in Steampunk or Edwardian style clothing when you say that.


- Ed C.

Steam...PUNK?  SIR!  You offend me!

Do I look like some Dickensian waif waiting to snatch your wallet?

Steam Society sir, Steam Society or Steam Science if you must be vulgar!

Steam Punk indeed, I've a mind to give you a taste of my riding crop!

You're both wrong...

It's gaslight romance.

More silliness is warranted here, gentlemen. Come on now, let's get on with it.

It looks like Benoist is begging for a taste of the riding crop.

Even so sir, silly arguments require silly counter arguments.  Pick up your own end or accept my position!

Quote from: Benoist;434743More silliness is warranted here, gentlemen. Come on now, let's get on with it.

Is this some obscure variant of The Chewbacca Defense?

Because Batman is not silly and D&D 4e simply is not a game.

For example, you cannot chase Dungeons & Dragons Fourth Edition through the woods with your hounds and hunting horns, what with it being an endanger species and all that rot.

Quote from: Benoist;434743More silliness is warranted here, gentlemen. Come on now, let's get on with it.

Oh no you didn't.